Comments on: Ichihashi eats some food http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/ Japan News Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:26:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ajapa http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-387109 Ajapa Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:37:59 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-387109 I don't know if continuing on this tabloid source material is meaningful though... To clarify the intention of Cyzo's article (I haven't read Shukan Post's one and have no intention to do so), the writer does not claim that Ichihashi's (suspected) murder was OK at all. He seems to imply that the case might be a tragic story of a loving <em>couple</em>. Not the matter of justification but of sympathy, I think. I don’t know if continuing on this tabloid source material is meaningful though…

To clarify the intention of Cyzo’s article (I haven’t read Shukan Post’s one and have no intention to do so), the writer does not claim that Ichihashi’s (suspected) murder was OK at all. He seems to imply that the case might be a tragic story of a loving couple. Not the matter of justification but of sympathy, I think.

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-387024 pixel_bomber Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:09:49 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-387024 I think he was charged with the abandoning a corpse crime because there were plenty of witnesses and it could be easily proven. So I think they chose this crime as a basis to hold him while they decide the extend of the other charges. I'm guessing they may have hoped for a confession after he was arrested so they could have made the charges fit whatever he confessed to. I'm guessing that any investigating in relation to murder has already been done, other than talking to the suspect. I think they are handling the case very carefully since they botched it so horribly in the beginning. I'm kind of curious why they didn't charge him with something like resisting arrest right away as well since that was easy to prove. Like Stereo said the details can make a difference. I hope they take into consideration his years of evading police as well as the brutality and planning involved in the current charge against him when considering the possibility of his guilt. I think he was charged with the abandoning a corpse crime because there were plenty of witnesses and it could be easily proven. So I think they chose this crime as a basis to hold him while they decide the extend of the other charges. I’m guessing they may have hoped for a confession after he was arrested so they could have made the charges fit whatever he confessed to. I’m guessing that any investigating in relation to murder has already been done, other than talking to the suspect.
I think they are handling the case very carefully since they botched it so horribly in the beginning. I’m kind of curious why they didn’t charge him with something like resisting arrest right away as well since that was easy to prove.
Like Stereo said the details can make a difference. I hope they take into consideration his years of evading police as well as the brutality and planning involved in the current charge against him when considering the possibility of his guilt.

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]]> By: Ajapa http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-387010 Ajapa Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:54:06 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-387010 I'm not sure if you are seriously wondering about the intention of the last paragraph of <em>partial</em> excerpt from a less-credible tabloid news source. The arrest warrant against Ichihashi was issued only for the crime of abandoning a dead body, I think. It was the only and the most serious crime that the police can ask the court to issue an arrest warrant against him at that point. The police still probably needs to investigate on an additional but far more important crime, the crime of murder, as Stereo suggested. You were informed just a small part of the fact from an investigation process which has not yet been proven to be correct. I’m not sure if you are seriously wondering about the intention of the last paragraph of partial excerpt from a less-credible tabloid news source.

The arrest warrant against Ichihashi was issued only for the crime of abandoning a dead body, I think. It was the only and the most serious crime that the police can ask the court to issue an arrest warrant against him at that point. The police still probably needs to investigate on an additional but far more important crime, the crime of murder, as Stereo suggested. You were informed just a small part of the fact from an investigation process which has not yet been proven to be correct.

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]]> By: Haf http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386954 Haf Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:56:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386954 Stereo, I assume those are the maximum penalties for the listed charges? Stereo, I assume those are the maximum penalties for the listed charges?

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]]> By: Stereo http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386842 Stereo Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:03:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386842 Detail makes all the difference. Crime and maximum penalty Murder (if he intended to kill her), death penalty Robbery Murder (if he intended to rob of her), death penalty Rape resulting in death (if he did not intend to kill her), life in prison Injury causing death (if he did not intend to kill her), 20 years in prison Causing Death through Gross Negligence, 5 years in prison Causing Death through Negligence, 500,000 yen fine In the unlikely event that she killed herself, his only charge is Abandonment of Corps with maximum penalty of 3 years in prison. Detail makes all the difference.
Crime and maximum penalty
Murder (if he intended to kill her), death penalty
Robbery Murder (if he intended to rob of her), death penalty
Rape resulting in death (if he did not intend to kill her), life in prison
Injury causing death (if he did not intend to kill her), 20 years in prison
Causing Death through Gross Negligence, 5 years in prison
Causing Death through Negligence, 500,000 yen fine

In the unlikely event that she killed herself, his only charge is Abandonment of Corps with maximum penalty of 3 years in prison.

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]]> By: darkkimsei http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386815 darkkimsei Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386815 I was wondering what the intent of the last paragraph was about. Are they saying that because they were making out it was okay that he killed her or that we just come up with it and decided to use it now because we needed to fill up the page. We all know how good magazines are about not being bias about their news. Gotta love'em. I was wondering what the intent of the last paragraph was about. Are they saying that because they were making out it was okay that he killed her or that we just come up with it and decided to use it now because we needed to fill up the page. We all know how good magazines are about not being bias about their news. Gotta love’em.

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]]> By: エマ http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386814 エマ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:31:34 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386814 As a British woman, I find that statement rather offensive. She had been teaching this man English (and maybe had relations with him at one time), so we can assume that she saw him often. Logically, she must have trusted him in some way. Anyway, who is to say he didn't put pressure on her to go to his house? Whether you believe either of these comments is irrelevant. It is inappropriate and insensitive to say that you 'do not feel sorry for this girl, yeah, death is bad but she did not use common sense' - as this does not justify anything. As a British woman, I find that statement rather offensive. She had been teaching this man English (and maybe had relations with him at one time), so we can assume that she saw him often. Logically, she must have trusted him in some way.

Anyway, who is to say he didn’t put pressure on her to go to his house?

Whether you believe either of these comments is irrelevant. It is inappropriate and insensitive to say that you ‘do not feel sorry for this girl, yeah, death is bad but she did not use common sense’ – as this does not justify anything.

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]]> By: bgbh http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386813 bgbh Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:31:19 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386813 isn't that a perfect example of non sequitur? isn’t that a perfect example of non sequitur?

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]]> By: Dingaling http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386806 Dingaling Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:10:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386806 Exactly. All White Gaijins look the same on tape, all drunk and there to terrorize the Japanese people LOL No but seriously - what proof do they have that it is her and him on that elevator video? Not only that, I highly doubt that she would make out with a dude as ugly as he was - unless, of course, once again, she was pissed up on one too many Sapporos and sake. Man, she must've been desperate to make out with that dude. Exactly. All White Gaijins look the same on tape, all drunk and there to terrorize the Japanese people LOL

No but seriously – what proof do they have that it is her and him on that elevator video?

Not only that, I highly doubt that she would make out with a dude as ugly as he was – unless, of course, once again, she was pissed up on one too many Sapporos and sake.

Man, she must’ve been desperate to make out with that dude.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386804 The Overthinker Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:57:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386804 Well then, clearly you must be small and weak.... Well then, clearly you must be small and weak….

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]]> By: kevin http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386792 kevin Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:32:28 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386792 maybe he's related to Ichi the Killer maybe he’s related to Ichi the Killer

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]]> By: kevin http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386791 kevin Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:31:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386791 You've never beat the shit of them OR killed them? Man, you're not a good host at all. If you're dating a girl, you're suppose to at least beat the shit out of her by the 3rd date, or its not going anywhere. You’ve never beat the shit of them OR killed them? Man, you’re not a good host at all. If you’re dating a girl, you’re suppose to at least beat the shit out of her by the 3rd date, or its not going anywhere.

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]]> By: L http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386789 L Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:26:43 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386789 I hope I never meet you in the street, tiger. overthink that I hope I never meet you in the street, tiger. overthink that

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386775 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:06:04 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386775 "But know this…an innocent man..never runs…" An innocent man doesn't bury the body in his bathtub. “But know this…an innocent man..never runs…”

An innocent man doesn’t bury the body in his bathtub.

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]]> By: Karisu http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386769 Karisu Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:19:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386769 An innocent man never runs? That's a pretty ridiculous statement. An innocent man never runs? That’s a pretty ridiculous statement.

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]]> By: Ajapa http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386766 Ajapa Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:12:59 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386766 The Cyzo article continues as <blockquote>まるで付き合い始めたばかりの恋人同士のようだったというのだ。この証言が本当だったとしたら、事件の様相はだいぶ変わってくるのかもしれない。なぜそのように愛しい彼女を殺さなければならなかったのか。どんな諍いが二人の間にあったのか。整形までして逃げ延びようとした市橋容疑者の強い意志は、どこから来ているのか。 It looked as if they just started seeing each other. If it was true, the aspect of this [murder] case might be very different. Why did he murder such a beloved woman? What kind of a quarrel was there between them? Where does his strong will to escape come from, even with plastic surgery?</blockquote> It also indicates that the police investigator asked the man who was shown the video to keep it secret. The Cyzo article continues as

まるで付き合い始めたばかりの恋人同士のようだったというのだ。この証言が本当だったとしたら、事件の様相はだいぶ変わってくるのかもしれない。なぜそのように愛しい彼女を殺さなければならなかったのか。どんな諍いが二人の間にあったのか。整形までして逃げ延びようとした市橋容疑者の強い意志は、どこから来ているのか。

It looked as if they just started seeing each other. If it was true, the aspect of this [murder] case might be very different. Why did he murder such a beloved woman? What kind of a quarrel was there between them? Where does his strong will to escape come from, even with plastic surgery?

It also indicates that the police investigator asked the man who was shown the video to keep it secret.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386763 James Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:55:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386763 <blockquote>an innocent man..never runs…</blockquote> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

an innocent man..never runs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386757 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:14:25 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386757 "well, maybe it was accidental, maybe they were doing some kinky sex and she died from it. . .he freaked and didn’t know what to do." Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is "abandoning a body". There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it's likely they could convict him on this charge. “well, maybe it was accidental, maybe they were doing some kinky sex and she died from it. . .he freaked and didn’t know what to do.”

Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is “abandoning a body”. There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it’s likely they could convict him on this charge.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386751 RMilner Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:05:39 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386751 You can tell from their front page that Cyzo is a highly reputable news organisation. We can definitely rely on that third hand report of a mystery survelliance video. Perhaps the suspect will starve himself to death before trial. Do Japanese police have the legal authority to force feed a suspect? You can tell from their front page that Cyzo is a highly reputable news organisation. We can definitely rely on that third hand report of a mystery survelliance video.

Perhaps the suspect will starve himself to death before trial. Do Japanese police have the legal authority to force feed a suspect?

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386750 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:05:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386750 Hmmm I think I got caught in the spam filter... sorry if it's a double post. Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is "abandoning a body". There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it's likely they could convict him on this charge. Hmmm I think I got caught in the spam filter… sorry if it’s a double post.

Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is “abandoning a body”. There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it’s likely they could convict him on this charge.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386747 LB Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:43:36 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386747 "But know this…an innocent man..never runs…" The Fugitive did. For four seasons. Plus a movie. “But know this…an innocent man..never runs…”

The Fugitive did. For four seasons. Plus a movie.

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]]> By: hushpuppies http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386745 hushpuppies Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:40:27 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386745 A dead man tell no tales eh...who knows what went down. We will only have to listen to what this dude says and look at the evidence. But know this...an innocent man..never runs... A dead man tell no tales eh…who knows what went down. We will only have to listen to what this dude says and look at the evidence. But know this…an innocent man..never runs…

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386742 LB Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:34:24 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386742 If we were talking about Lucie Blackman, you <i>might</i> have a point. But we're not. And I have never heard of any kind of mutually consensual "kinky sex" that involves brutally beating someone about the head and hacking off all their hair. It is pretty doubtful Lindsay's death was an accidental result of sex, considering the condition her body was reported to have been in. If we were talking about Lucie Blackman, you might have a point. But we’re not. And I have never heard of any kind of mutually consensual “kinky sex” that involves brutally beating someone about the head and hacking off all their hair. It is pretty doubtful Lindsay’s death was an accidental result of sex, considering the condition her body was reported to have been in.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386739 The Overthinker Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:22:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386739 So you wouldn't mind me stealing your car if you left it unlocked? So you wouldn’t mind me stealing your car if you left it unlocked?

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]]> By: Al http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386738 Al Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:15:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386738 Lots of girls went to my place alone (with me) and I didn't beat the shit out of/kill/mutilate/dispose of any of them. In fact I would say it is a very common scenario for girls to go to a guys place and vice versa. At least in the western world. Lots of girls went to my place alone (with me) and I didn’t beat the shit out of/kill/mutilate/dispose of any of them. In fact I would say it is a very common scenario for girls to go to a guys place and vice versa. At least in the western world.

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386736 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:13:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386736 Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is "abandoning a body". There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it's likely they could convict him on this charge. Their relationship (if any) is irrelevant. The charge he is held on is “abandoning a body”. There seems to be really strong evidence to support this charge so it’s likely they could convict him on this charge.

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]]> By: somegirl http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386733 somegirl Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:51:25 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386733 well, maybe it was accidental, maybe they were doing some kinky sex and she died from it. . .he freaked and didn't know what to do. really am curious to his side of the story. personally, as a women and an American, I do not feel sorry for this girl, yeah, death is bad but she did not use common sense . . who goes to a guys place alone in any country, including one'S own country, without looking for trouble. . .or causing it. well, maybe it was accidental, maybe they were doing some kinky sex and she died from it. . .he freaked and didn’t know what to do. really am curious to his side of the story. personally, as a women and an American, I do not feel sorry for this girl, yeah, death is bad but she did not use common sense . . who goes to a guys place alone in any country, including one’S own country, without looking for trouble. . .or causing it.

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386730 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:41:39 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386730 "Police supposedly showed this person a video taken by an elevator surveillance camera. In it, Ichihashi and Lindsay embrace and start making out. The source claims there that there were no visible signs of resistance or displeasure from Lindsay." And that makes it ok to illegally dispose of a corpse? I don't think so. “Police supposedly showed this person a video taken by an elevator surveillance camera. In it, Ichihashi and Lindsay embrace and start making out. The source claims there that there were no visible signs of resistance or displeasure from Lindsay.”

And that makes it ok to illegally dispose of a corpse? I don’t think so.

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]]> By: pixel_bomber http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/11/25/ichihashi-eats-some-food/comment-page-1/#comment-386729 pixel_bomber Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:41:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=14251#comment-386729 <blockquote>Police supposedly showed this person a video taken by an elevator surveillance camera. In it, Ichihashi and Lindsay embrace and start making out. The source claims there that there were no visible signs of resistance or displeasure from Lindsay.</blockquote> And that makes it ok to illegally dispose of a corpse? I don't think so.

Police supposedly showed this person a video taken by an elevator surveillance camera. In it, Ichihashi and Lindsay embrace and start making out. The source claims there that there were no visible signs of resistance or displeasure from Lindsay.

And that makes it ok to illegally dispose of a corpse? I don’t think so.

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