Comments on: Nara’s deer lose their antlers http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/ Japan News Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:18:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: giorno http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-385762 giorno Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:04:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-385762 Looks like nobody's with you! My mum used to cut my nails when I was a baby to avoid scratching myself. I've never asked her to let me cut anything off from her and I never will. Looks like nobody’s with you!

My mum used to cut my nails when I was a baby to avoid scratching myself.
I’ve never asked her to let me cut anything off from her and I never will.

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]]> By: schwelty http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382884 schwelty Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:45:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382884 Helical: I did not know that and that makes me feel a lot better. Thank you for informing me of that in a mature manner. Colorful: Take your trolling somewhere else. Helical: I did not know that and that makes me feel a lot better. Thank you for informing me of that in a mature manner.

Colorful: Take your trolling somewhere else.

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]]> By: tabacco http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382412 tabacco Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:04:53 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382412 -ドーベルマンの尻尾を切ったり、羊の毛は剥いでも良いけど、 神経の通っていない、切っても痛くない鹿の角は切ってはいけない！- 誰かこの論理を残酷、かわいそうと言った感情を抜きにして 説明してください！私、頭が悪いから理解出来ないです(^ρ^) -ドーベルマンの尻尾を切ったり、羊の毛は剥いでも良いけど、
神経の通っていない、切っても痛くない鹿の角は切ってはいけない！-

誰かこの論理を残酷、かわいそうと言った感情を抜きにして
説明してください！私、頭が悪いから理解出来ないです(^ρ^)

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]]> By: japanobserver http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382371 japanobserver Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:29:14 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382371 Let me guess... You Australian? Let me guess… You Australian?

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]]> By: Ajapa http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382351 Ajapa Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:40:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382351 I heard their antlers are not dead tissue all along, but it consists of living tissue with blood supply from capillary vessel under the skin while it grows. The antler gradually become "dead"; ossification occurs from the inside of the antler, then blood supply stops and the skin is peeled off. Deer's antlers in this "dead" state is what we usually call deer's antlers. Their antlers seem to exist for fighting with other males in rutting season to gain females to copulate. Male deers sometimes try to get rid of their antlers by rubbing it against a tree. They usually lose their antlers in early spring naturally. ----- Information from "<a href="http://www.e-suzaku.net/gyoji_event/10/001/index.html" rel="nofollow">Suzaku, the Society of Nara Voluntary Sightseeing Guides</a>": <blockquote> <b>The Origin</b> It is said that since there were many incidents that townsmen had suffered damage from deers and deers had butted each other until they were injured or dead, 興福寺 [Koufukuji temple], the administrator of deers at that time, started to cut off antlers under recognition of Nara-Bugyou [the magistrate of Nara] in 1671. Since 1928, this event evolved into the current format, a special place for cutting off antlers was prepared, then it became an anual event. <b>Tempting Information</b> Removed antlers of deers are sold at the office of "Foundation for the Protection of Deer in Nara Park" in "鹿苑" [Roku-En, Deer garden]. They are sold in price ranging from about 1,100 yen for smaller one to 200,000-300,000 yen for magnificent one. It is said that they are very well-received as a souvenir or a memento. </blockquote> I heard their antlers are not dead tissue all along, but it consists of living tissue with blood supply from capillary vessel under the skin while it grows. The antler gradually become “dead”; ossification occurs from the inside of the antler, then blood supply stops and the skin is peeled off. Deer’s antlers in this “dead” state is what we usually call deer’s antlers. Their antlers seem to exist for fighting with other males in rutting season to gain females to copulate. Male deers sometimes try to get rid of their antlers by rubbing it against a tree. They usually lose their antlers in early spring naturally.

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Information from “Suzaku, the Society of Nara Voluntary Sightseeing Guides“:

The Origin

It is said that since there were many incidents that townsmen had suffered damage from deers and deers had butted each other until they were injured or dead, 興福寺 [Koufukuji temple], the administrator of deers at that time, started to cut off antlers under recognition of Nara-Bugyou [the magistrate of Nara] in 1671. Since 1928, this event evolved into the current format, a special place for cutting off antlers was prepared, then it became an anual event.

Tempting Information

Removed antlers of deers are sold at the office of “Foundation for the Protection of Deer in Nara Park” in “鹿苑” [Roku-En, Deer garden]. They are sold in price ranging from about 1,100 yen for smaller one to 200,000-300,000 yen for magnificent one. It is said that they are very well-received as a souvenir or a memento.

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]]> By: Fred R. http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382347 Fred R. Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:06:11 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382347 I say, it's ok to cut off the antlers, as long as you let that particular animal (in this case a deer) cut off something. Who's with me? I say, it’s ok to cut off the antlers, as long as you let that particular animal (in this case a deer) cut off something.

Who’s with me?

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]]> By: bapbap http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382332 bapbap Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:37:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382332 lol very well said. exactly my thoughts. lol very well said. exactly my thoughts.

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]]> By: adsasdfdfddfsd http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382310 adsasdfdfddfsd Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:22:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382310 I thought deers drop their antlers every year so it's no problem. I thought deers drop their antlers every year so it’s no problem.

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]]> By: K9 http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382243 K9 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:02:53 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382243 羊の毛刈るのと大差ないんとちがう？ 羊の毛刈るのと大差ないんとちがう？

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]]> By: Iago http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382232 Iago Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:22:18 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382232 I suspect the tradition is more to keep the deer from hurting each other. Deer are cunning, particularly the ones in Nara, and can find myriad ways to hurt us; not least by biting our sembei proffering fingers. As I understand it, the antlers are made of the same stuff as hair and fingernails. It's dead tissue, and so long as thhey don't cut to close to the root, it's no more painful than a manicure. It's not a Japan thing either. Most communities that farm deer will prune the antlers to avoid the males crippling each other in rutting season. And in Nara they even buy the deer a drink, which seems pretty civilised to me. I suspect the tradition is more to keep the deer from hurting each other. Deer are cunning, particularly the ones in Nara, and can find myriad ways to hurt us; not least by biting our sembei proffering fingers.

As I understand it, the antlers are made of the same stuff as hair and fingernails. It’s dead tissue, and so long as thhey don’t cut to close to the root, it’s no more painful than a manicure.

It’s not a Japan thing either. Most communities that farm deer will prune the antlers to avoid the males crippling each other in rutting season.

And in Nara they even buy the deer a drink, which seems pretty civilised to me.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382228 LB Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:44:50 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382228 You do know that nature also provides for deer to lose their antlers every year? And that does do not have antlers? So how do does defend themselves? And how do bucks defend themselves during the antler-less period? What if a buck loses his antlers early, and runs into a buck that has not dropped his antlers yet? So many stupid questions, so little time... You do know that nature also provides for deer to lose their antlers every year? And that does do not have antlers?

So how do does defend themselves?

And how do bucks defend themselves during the antler-less period?

What if a buck loses his antlers early, and runs into a buck that has not dropped his antlers yet?

So many stupid questions, so little time…

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382227 LB Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:42:20 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382227 No, no, not us... <i>them</i> "The right of the people to keep and arm bears shall not be infringed." No, no, not us… them

“The right of the people to keep and arm bears shall not be infringed.”

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]]> By: colorful http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382221 colorful Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:20:54 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382221 what if the chicken you ate last night didn't want to be eaten? what if the countless animals that used to lived on the land that is now your house/office/ didn't want to be driven away? have too much respect for those poor animals and don't want to trespass into their territory against nature's will? here's a simple solution: surrender all privileges of human civilization and go live naked in the jungle. then you can rant all you want without being a total hypocrite. too bad the rest of us disrespectful environment-polluting habitat-destroying animal-killing pests of the earth wouldn't be able to hear you, since you won't be wasting precious recourses on pointless net surfing like us. what if the chicken you ate last night didn’t want to be eaten?

what if the countless animals that used to lived on the land that is now your house/office/ didn’t want to be driven away?

have too much respect for those poor animals and don’t want to trespass into their territory against nature’s will? here’s a simple solution:
surrender all privileges of human civilization and go live naked in the jungle. then you can rant all you want without being a total hypocrite. too bad the rest of us disrespectful environment-polluting habitat-destroying animal-killing pests of the earth wouldn’t be able to hear you, since you won’t be wasting precious recourses on pointless net surfing like us.

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]]> By: helical http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382220 helical Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:17:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382220 I've seen this argument countless times. If one is against altering nature to better serve humans, then that would preclude things like breeding better farm animals and crops, or medicine and operations to "go against nature" and live longer. Removing antlers protects them from themselves too. I don't know if you've been to Nara, but if you have, you'd see that these breed of deers roam about freely and are completely a part of the scenery in and around a large Buddhist temple in a quiet neighborhood. They're more like community pets than wild animals. They are well protected, and harming them is punishable by the Cultural Assets Preservation Act. The main reasons that they would come to harm is if they are run over by cars or trains, or some jerk deliberately decides to harm them. I’ve seen this argument countless times.
If one is against altering nature to better serve humans, then that would preclude things like breeding better farm animals and crops, or medicine and operations to “go against nature” and live longer. Removing antlers protects them from themselves too.

I don’t know if you’ve been to Nara, but if you have, you’d see that these breed of deers roam about freely and are completely a part of the scenery in and around a large Buddhist temple in a quiet neighborhood. They’re more like community pets than wild animals. They are well protected, and harming them is punishable by the Cultural Assets Preservation Act.

The main reasons that they would come to harm is if they are run over by cars or trains, or some jerk deliberately decides to harm them.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382216 ponta Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:55:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382216 Yeah, we should be allowed to carry guns and knives to protect ourselves:that will make us look more civilized. Yeah, we should be allowed to carry guns and knives to protect ourselves:that will make us look more civilized.

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]]> By: who http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382211 who Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:17 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382211 What a backwards and cruel tradition, as expected from the Japs! They should follow my rules and morals! What a backwards and cruel tradition, as expected from the Japs! They should follow my rules and morals!

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]]> By: ぺすぽん http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382210 ぺすぽん Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:18:28 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382210 あーいえばこーいう バカじゃねーの あーいえばこーいう
バカじゃねーの

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]]> By: schwelty http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/naras-deer-lose-their-antlers/comment-page-1/#comment-382204 schwelty Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:42:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=13314#comment-382204 I don't know if I can appreciate this Japanese tradition. Nature intended deers to have antlers for a reason. While I can see why they are cutting them, I think it's only selfish. We have to respect the fact that we are crossing into other animals' territory, due to our increasing human population. Removing their only means of self-defense so we can't get hurt ourselves is downright cruel. What if that deer runs into another deer that DOES have antlers? I don’t know if I can appreciate this Japanese tradition. Nature intended deers to have antlers for a reason. While I can see why they are cutting them, I think it’s only selfish. We have to respect the fact that we are crossing into other animals’ territory, due to our increasing human population. Removing their only means of self-defense so we can’t get hurt ourselves is downright cruel. What if that deer runs into another deer that DOES have antlers?

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