Dokdo Perfume – smelly Korean nationalism

… then South Korea already went to the ICJ long time ago.

Whoa, when?
I thought they’d been flatly refusing to take it to the ICJ from the beginning, making excuses like Japan’s going to bribe the court into making a Japan-favorable decision.

Ah, I see.

If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea already went would have gone to the ICJ long time ago.

I’ll work on my reading comprehension, so you work on your grammar.

“If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea already went to the ICJ long time ago”

I think you should have said “If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea WOULD HAVE GONE to the ICJ [a] long time ago.” Your statement as it stands means that “if the subject under discussion is claiming sovereignty, as opposed to, say, nationalism, then hey, look, South Korea has already been to the ICJ, ages ago.”

Canadian,

You have to live in South Korea for years if you want to understand this whole this. Around 75% of this stuff about Takeshima or the SoJ issues in South Korea are quite different from average Japanese people might think.

Do you have any experience of living in Japan for years? If not, do you assume that understanding Korean’s opinion and attitude requires years of life in South Korea while that’s not required for Japanese one? You might be completely unsure on average Japanese opinion but you seem to be very sure that there are around 75% of misunderstanding or difference of opinion. What? Could you restate it in order that I can understand precisely?

The only difference I can think is that the Russian government is more fond of Korea’s position about Takeshima over Japan’s position but this is a very recent event.

Please explain how Russian government is related here. What is your intention on that? Do you imply that South Korea’s sovereignty over that rock islands is legitimate because of Russia’s support?

It’s not a matter of international voting but a matter of two countries in dispute. Let’s go to the court!

//Do you have any experience of living in Japan for years? If not, do you assume that understanding Korean’s opinion and attitude requires years of life in South Korea while that’s not required for Japanese one? You might be completely unsure on average Japanese opinion but you seem to be very sure that there are around 75% of misunderstanding or difference of opinion. What? Could you restate it in order that I can understand precisely?//

No, but I try to keep myself in a neutral position about this. Hell, I don’t like to use the word, Dokdo.

//Please explain how Russian government is related here. What is your intention on that? Do you imply that South Korea’s sovereignty over that rock islands is legitimate because of Russia’s support?//

Sort of yes on the basis that both Russia and South Korea have issues against Japan. For an anecdotal personal event I had before, I talked to a Russian expat in Seoul, she proudly said Takeshima is perfectly Korean.

You wouldn’t want to argue with Russian internet surfers about Kuril or Sakhalin islands. They are as bad as South Koreans claiming Takeshima or Tsushima.

//It’s not a matter of international voting but a matter of two countries in dispute. Let’s go to the court!//

But that’s not the long-term goal of South Korea when South Korea’s real intention is to make grounds for some political groups to criticize Japan’s right wingers?

//Sure – if you fly or boat in drinking water and every food stuff that does not involve fish or seaweed, then yeah, I guess you could call every island “inhabitable”.//

The South Korean government made floating slabs for civilian inhabitants.

But the issue is that Takeshima is a rock, not a “generic” island per se.

Canadian,

Please stop mentioning on completely irrelevant topics. I am not interested in your anecdotal personal events and Russian girl here.

No, but I try to keep myself in a neutral position about this. Hell, I don’t like to use the word, Dokdo.

You explained nothing. Also, please keep in mind that a choice of a proper noun alone does not bring you to a “neutral positon”. If you insist that everyone should live in South Korea for years to understand Korean’s attitude and opinion toward this issue, you should admit that you know nearly nothing about Japan first. You are not able to keep yourself in a neutral position apparently.

But that’s not the long-term goal of South Korea when South Korea’s real intention is to make grounds for some political groups to criticize Japan’s right wingers?

If you imply that Japan’s claim on sovereignty over that rock islands was merely derived from Japan’s right wingers and nationalism, you proved yourself non-neutral, ignorant, and prejudiced.

And most of the Japanese people don’t know that the current South Korean president is a CHINILPA (Korean descendant of Imperial Japan sympathizers).

Who cares? Anyway, it’s completely unrelated to this discussion.

Korean nationalism is an uber-complicated political tool compare to Japanese nationalism.

What? Are you proud of Korean nationalism the uber-complicated political tool? Or, do you suggest that Korean are superior “race” compared to Japanese because of their uber-skill of developing nationalism into an uber-complicated political tool?

Far more smelly here now.

Canadian,

Not good as a parting shot.

Your attitude of “I know everything but you know nothing” is quite annoying. I was sure from the beggining that you aren’t a person who can discuss with others. However I had endured, but you spoiled finally.

I can’t stand stinks anymore.

Correction,

You could already make comments that do offend people in the first place. You know, being polite.

Right?

Then, please tell me which comments you were offended.

Let’s go to the court doesn’t sound optimal. In this current diplomatic environment, Japan would likely lose the Liancourt rocks issue for the International Court of Justice.

1. China could aggressively sue Japan related to the Senkaku islands at the International Court of Justice in the near future.
2. China could 100% support Korea’s position on the Liancourt rocks if the Korean government relinquish the Socrotra rocks to China. The Socrotra rock became a Korean territory in 2001.
3. The Russian Federal government is nevertheless concerned about the Japanese NGOs claiming the Kuril islands since the late 1990s. And there could be a possibility that the Russian government could officially support Korea’s Liancourt rocks’ claim. So far, it doesn’t as of 2009.

Whether this member called Canadian was being silly or not, he did make a somewhat reasonable point about Russia.

So far, I know people agree that when the Liancourt rocks dispute becomes very hot, China and Russia will butt in with their own territorial disputes against Japan. The whole great disputes would make every country involved losers.

As a 75% Korean 25% Japanese guy, I am not positively obsessed with the Liancourt rocks issue for these obvious pessimistic reasons above. I am not ridiculing anyone here other than expressing concerns with the recipe of disaster.