Dokdo Perfume – smelly Korean nationalism
The Korean branch of an American perfume company has released a scent that is supposedly based on the odor of a couple of rocks occupied by South Korea and claimed by Japan [via Brian in Jeollanam-do]:
“We wanted the consumers to feel Dokdo closer to their hearts, by imagining its scent,” said a Demeter Korea employee.
To capture the characteristic scent of Dokdo, perfume coordinators have visited the islets several times.
The scent offers the user a touch of the sea and the breeze.
Dokdo scent, though exclusively sold in Korea, is often presented as a souvenir gift to foreigners and is expected to promote the Dokdo issue internationally as well, the company said.
Also, 1 percent of the Dokdo Breeze -29,000 won per bottle ($25) – sales profits are to be donated to the New York Times as Dokdo ad funds.
In other anti-Japanese nationalism news, it has been discovered that the American-built F-15K fighter jets used by South Korea’s air force have computer systems with “faulty” digital maps. The maps, which came from the U.S. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, were “faulty” because they labeled the body of water between Japan and Korea as the “Sea of Japan” and the disputed rocks between Japan and Korea were labeled as “Liancourt Rocks” or “Takeshima.”
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So does it smell of rotting seaweed and bird crap?
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Mmm… sea funk…
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As if you don’t eat them in Japan. lol you guys such hypocrats.
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What? You eat rotting seaweed and bird crap in your country?
I’d give the benefit of the doubt that “rotting” may mean fermented, but the only food I’ve heard of that uses fecal matter is the Hongeohoe (Hongtak) from Korea.
And even that was supposed to be revealed as just a baseless rumor started by a slip up a of machine translation service … but are you telling me it’s actually true??
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nothing faulty with those maps!
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Agreed. If Korea thinks so, perhaps the US should recall all US-manufactured equipment operated by them for “quality control inspections”.
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To quote the internet: *facepalm*
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I am guessing these kind of products come out from business purpose rather than patriotism in recent cases and there are more than a few Koreans who have been fed up with it.
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As much as Koreans are fed up with JAPANESE whining about Dokdo, they have no intention to give up on it. Just because it’s such a facetious claim that the resourceful island all of sudden appeared to be Japanese territory. How irony that all the supporting evidences were made during the occupation time? In the same vein, if so, tell me if you think all the Palestinians’ lands that are illegally bulldozed by Israelis belong to Israel.
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South Korea is as amazingly stupid with the Dokdo Islands as the United States was with Russia during the Cold War.
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…And on that note, as amazingly stupid as the US is with terrorism, now.
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Sure, I guess if you’re really stupid you can compare Korea and their stance on those worthless piece of rocks and real world dangers like the cold war and terrorism.
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Well, as far as I know, the Russian government is supporting Korea’s sovereignty of Takeshima in a very indirect way.
I used to live in Korea and all I can say is that Korea’s own claim of this rock isn’t mainly about patriotic reasons. It’s more like the best way for South Korea to criticize Japan’s right wing politics without being too confrontational.
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I haven’t imagined that occupying uninhabitable rocks by the coast guard and practicing military activities around aren’t considered obvious confrontation.
Japanese government made a proposal to bring the case before the International Court of Justice twice, but South Korean government denied. No discussion required for the matter of the title to these uninhabitable rocks sitting on the middle of two countries confronting? It can hardly be believed that they are criticizing Japan’s “right wing politics” or just being “patriotic”.
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//I haven’t imagined that occupying uninhabitable rocks by the coast guard and practicing military activities around aren’t considered obvious confrontation.//
Actually, Takeshima is already inhabitable with handful of civilians already for a decade. We can presuppose that this small place is already civilian-friendly. The Japanese government protested about this few times already.
//Japanese government made a proposal to bring the case before the International Court of Justice twice, but South Korean government denied.//
If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea already went to the ICJ long time ago. But this isn’t South Korea’s real “meta agenda” for decades.
//It can hardly be believed that they are criticizing Japan’s “right wing politics” or just being “patriotic”.//
Then what about the recent growing pattern of Koreans claiming Tsushima which is extremely harder to CLAIM than Takeshima?
You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t only about claiming lands. It’s BEYOND this agenda if you think about it.
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Whoa, when?
I thought they’d been flatly refusing to take it to the ICJ from the beginning, making excuses like Japan’s going to bribe the court into making a Japan-favorable decision.
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//Whoa, when?
I thought they’d been flatly refusing to take it to the ICJ from the beginning, making excuses like Japan’s going to bribe the court into making a Japan-favorable decision.//
Read again. I said IF. Reading comprehension, please. Anybody can point out the subjunctive form of the verb.
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Ah, I see.
I’ll work on my reading comprehension, so you work on your grammar.
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You have to live in South Korea for years if you want to understand this whole this. Around 75% of this stuff about Takeshima or the SoJ issues in South Korea are quite different from average Japanese people might think. This whole difference of thinking between South Korea and Japan makes it more difficult to resolve them. The only difference I can think is that the Russian government is more fond of Korea’s position about Takeshima over Japan’s position but this is a very recent event.
For Japan, just claim California instead. Hell, this American state is bankrupt already.
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“If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea already went to the ICJ long time ago”
I think you should have said “If this is about claiming sovereignty to bunch of small rocks, then South Korea WOULD HAVE GONE to the ICJ [a] long time ago.” Your statement as it stands means that “if the subject under discussion is claiming sovereignty, as opposed to, say, nationalism, then hey, look, South Korea has already been to the ICJ, ages ago.”
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Canadian,
Japan’s proposal to bring this issue to the ICJ had been made twice, on 1954 and 1962, far before Korean had started making effort to those rock islands civilian-friendly “inhabitable” place.
As far as I know, that’s mostly a ultra-right Korean’s claim. Funnily enough, they are proud of their “glorious” history of invasion to Tsushima.
Did I say it’s only about a territorial matter? I rather indicated that it’s a matter of Korean nationalism and ethnocentrism. The reason for this is, lack of positive attitude toward negotiation and comprehending opponent’s claims. It looks like that they are just busy for advertising thier sovereignty, creating inhabitant history, and de facto something.
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Canadian,
Do you have any experience of living in Japan for years? If not, do you assume that understanding Korean’s opinion and attitude requires years of life in South Korea while that’s not required for Japanese one? You might be completely unsure on average Japanese opinion but you seem to be very sure that there are around 75% of misunderstanding or difference of opinion. What? Could you restate it in order that I can understand precisely?
Please explain how Russian government is related here. What is your intention on that? Do you imply that South Korea’s sovereignty over that rock islands is legitimate because of Russia’s support?
It’s not a matter of international voting but a matter of two countries in dispute. Let’s go to the court!
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“Actually, Takeshima is already inhabitable with handful of civilians already for a decade.”
Sure – if you fly or boat in drinking water and every food stuff that does not involve fish or seaweed, then yeah, I guess you could call every island “inhabitable”.
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//Do you have any experience of living in Japan for years? If not, do you assume that understanding Korean’s opinion and attitude requires years of life in South Korea while that’s not required for Japanese one? You might be completely unsure on average Japanese opinion but you seem to be very sure that there are around 75% of misunderstanding or difference of opinion. What? Could you restate it in order that I can understand precisely?//
No, but I try to keep myself in a neutral position about this. Hell, I don’t like to use the word, Dokdo.
//Please explain how Russian government is related here. What is your intention on that? Do you imply that South Korea’s sovereignty over that rock islands is legitimate because of Russia’s support?//
Sort of yes on the basis that both Russia and South Korea have issues against Japan. For an anecdotal personal event I had before, I talked to a Russian expat in Seoul, she proudly said Takeshima is perfectly Korean.
You wouldn’t want to argue with Russian internet surfers about Kuril or Sakhalin islands. They are as bad as South Koreans claiming Takeshima or Tsushima.
//It’s not a matter of international voting but a matter of two countries in dispute. Let’s go to the court!//
But that’s not the long-term goal of South Korea when South Korea’s real intention is to make grounds for some political groups to criticize Japan’s right wingers?
//Sure – if you fly or boat in drinking water and every food stuff that does not involve fish or seaweed, then yeah, I guess you could call every island “inhabitable”.//
The South Korean government made floating slabs for civilian inhabitants.
But the issue is that Takeshima is a rock, not a “generic” island per se.
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And most of the Japanese people don’t know that the current South Korean president is a CHINILPA (Korean descendant of Imperial Japan sympathizers).
Korean nationalism is an uber-complicated political tool compare to Japanese nationalism.
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Canadian,
Please stop mentioning on completely irrelevant topics. I am not interested in your anecdotal personal events and Russian girl here.
You explained nothing. Also, please keep in mind that a choice of a proper noun alone does not bring you to a “neutral positon”. If you insist that everyone should live in South Korea for years to understand Korean’s attitude and opinion toward this issue, you should admit that you know nearly nothing about Japan first. You are not able to keep yourself in a neutral position apparently.
If you imply that Japan’s claim on sovereignty over that rock islands was merely derived from Japan’s right wingers and nationalism, you proved yourself non-neutral, ignorant, and prejudiced.
Who cares? Anyway, it’s completely unrelated to this discussion.
What? Are you proud of Korean nationalism the uber-complicated political tool? Or, do you suggest that Korean are superior “race” compared to Japanese because of their uber-skill of developing nationalism into an uber-complicated political tool?
Far more smelly here now.
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Either you really didn’t understand me in the first place or you are wrongfully assuming I’m a Korean nationalist in the first place and got unreasonably offended.
I’m a Chinese-Canadian who used to live in South Korea enough to understand them. I only explained this with my personal experiences about Korean nationalism.
You don’t need to be too shallow. However, this is the internet after all.
Live with it. The Japanese position on Takeshima or SoJ is impossible to convince Korea. Two different agendas on each side. Complain all you want, you’ll get nothing.
Meh, I had enough talk with you. Good luck with all of epic amount of foreigners who will going to live in Japan in the future (also something South Korea is having trouble with).
And also…
//If you imply that Japan’s claim on sovereignty over that rock islands was merely derived from Japan’s right wingers and nationalism, you proved yourself non-neutral, ignorant, and prejudiced.//
In fact, I didn’t imply this because I didn’t explain about my own position but Korea’s position. That’s a nice assumption from anger, there. Wwwwww
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Canadian,
Not good as a parting shot.
Your attitude of “I know everything but you know nothing” is quite annoying. I was sure from the beggining that you aren’t a person who can discuss with others. However I had endured, but you spoiled finally.
I can’t stand stinks anymore.
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//Not good as a parting shot.
Your attitude of “I know everything but you know nothing” is quite annoying. I was sure from the beggining that you aren’t a person who can discuss with others. However I had endured, but you spoiled finally.
I can’t stand stinks anymore.//
You could already make comments that don’t offend people people in the first place. You know, being polite.
Don’t worry, I hope you will become a better person in the near future.
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Correction,
You could already make comments that do offend people in the first place. You know, being polite.
Right?
Then, please tell me which comments you were offended.
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Canadian,
I appreciate your insights into what’s actually going on “behind the scenes” so-to-speak with the Korean mindset. It’s an aspect that doesn’t often make it across on just news reports.
It’s just that while you try to get people to recognize that there is complexity on the Korean side, it seems like you simultaneously fail to realize or willfully disregard that there may be any complexity on the Japanese side.
This probably comes off as being confrontational (aside from your word tone) more than necessary, and makes you sound like you’re a Korean nationalist yourself. Indeed, with my poor reading comprehension, I thought you were one when I first skimmed your comments.
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Let’s go to the court doesn’t sound optimal. In this current diplomatic environment, Japan would likely lose the Liancourt rocks issue for the International Court of Justice.
1. China could aggressively sue Japan related to the Senkaku islands at the International Court of Justice in the near future.
2. China could 100% support Korea’s position on the Liancourt rocks if the Korean government relinquish the Socrotra rocks to China. The Socrotra rock became a Korean territory in 2001.
3. The Russian Federal government is nevertheless concerned about the Japanese NGOs claiming the Kuril islands since the late 1990s. And there could be a possibility that the Russian government could officially support Korea’s Liancourt rocks’ claim. So far, it doesn’t as of 2009.
Whether this member called Canadian was being silly or not, he did make a somewhat reasonable point about Russia.
So far, I know people agree that when the Liancourt rocks dispute becomes very hot, China and Russia will butt in with their own territorial disputes against Japan. The whole great disputes would make every country involved losers.
As a 75% Korean 25% Japanese guy, I am not positively obsessed with the Liancourt rocks issue for these obvious pessimistic reasons above. I am not ridiculing anyone here other than expressing concerns with the recipe of disaster.
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you know how you said it requires living in South Korea to understand the issue? I say if you do, then you get a very biased opinion. Like I did. And I’m Japanese. Reading newspapers (Korea Herald is VERY VERY opinionated on this topic!), news, and whatever media in Korea on this issue makes it sound very much like the Liancourt Rocks are rightful territory of Korea that Japan, in her attempt to grab at the remnants of her former Empire, is trying to steal. They make a very nice case about that. What they fail to mention is Japan’s side, or if they do, it’s a short sentence or two in the bottom of the article. Now that I’m older, and living in Japan (though only for like three months now), I’m a bit more ambivalent about this topic. There’s quite a lot they leave out in Korean media…
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I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion, but I must admit Nationalist Koreans are quite creative in advocating their cause.
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Since the new admin came to power in japan, S korea admin is enlivening the mood of friendship with Japan. If they are still obsessed to produce such a funny goods for spreading the issue of the rocks to the world, the Korean double-dealing can harm their international reputation and the world may reckon them as if they are a barking moonbat or a forked-tongued. Do they take such a risk? If I was Korean I wouldn’t do it.
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英語がご無理であれば、日本語によるコメントでも可。
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//Do they take such a risk? If I was Korean I wouldn’t do it.//
Koreans are very famous for risk-taking in a good way AND in a bad way. Perhaps this is why Koreans are taking over the North American sushi industry. I find it very ironic.
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そうきゃ～あ、よかっただがや。英語、時間かかんだもんででぇ～りゃあ助かるがなも。
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