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Japanese government to give 100 billion yen bailout to Japan Airlines

June 23rd, 2009 by James

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An emergency loan from the Japanese government:

Loss-making Japan Airlines (JAL) could receive up to 100bn yen ($1bn; £635m) in state aid, say reports, on condition that the airline’s management improves.

Any loan would be made through state owned Development Bank of Japan (DBJ).

Looks like cutting CEO pay wasn’t enough to help them through their financial problems…



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10 Comments »

Comment by Eddie
2009-06-23 12:48:29

Needed to be done.

 
Comment by Vonskippy
2009-06-23 14:26:42

Remember when Capitalism meant the best run company would profit the most and be successful?

Now it’s how to make upper management rich no matter how greedy and stupid they are, stomp all over the workers, laugh at the stupid investors who won’t see a fraction of their investment let alone a profit, and then after the company is about to fail, expect the government (your tax money) to bail their sorry asses out.

Let them fail – it will be better (and cheaper) for everyone in the long run.

Comment by Eddie
2009-06-23 22:35:53

How exactly will it be cheaper for everyone? Don’t you realise just how much JAL pay in tax to the government? If JAL go under, that means higher taxation for everyone in Japan.

In order to save your economy you need to ensure that your nations big businesses can function.

Comment by Vonskippy
2009-06-24 01:28:59

Um…no. Taxes, for the most part, are based on PROFITS. If JAL needs Billions of hand outs, that they’ll never pay back, to stay afloat, how much profit (and therefore how much taxes) do you think they’re making? You’ll be paying more taxes alright, when JAL puts their hands out for their second round of “we’re too important to let us fail” begging.

There are plenty of smaller airlines that would ramp up and fill the void if JAL was gone. And they’re not mismanaged into the dirt like JAL, and they’re not begging for hand outs.

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Comment by Eddie
2009-06-24 06:49:12

Completely wrong.

Have you ever considered the reason why JAL, a profitable company until recently, has posted huge losses (along with most other international Airlines, e.g British Airways)? Yes, that’s right, it’s to do with the state of the economy. If JAL disappear, think of all the other companies that would go too. Food companies, service companies, manufacture companies, the list goes on. JAL has huge contracts with a multitude of smaller companies, contracts that those smaller companies rely on for survival. Everything has a knock-on effect, that’s how business works.

First think about economic basics before making uneducated posts about government handouts.

 
Comment by Kerfuffle machine
2009-06-24 10:39:27

@Eddie & Vonskippy
[NOTE: I am an economist -- with a degree]
You are both (partially) correct. Eddie is correct relative to the short-term (the next 1 or 2 years) and Vonskippy is correct in the long-term (after 2 years).

The Japanese government is employing an economic strategy called Keynesianism. The (vastly oversimplified) explanation of this methodology is that economic recessions based on consumers’ lack of confidence in the marketplace can be reversed by (temporarily) flooding the economy with money. It is hoped that the flood of money will spur economic activity and thus end the recession. Once satisfied that the recession is over, the government would (do something like) tax the wealthy and get the flood of money back (cuz if they don’t the flood of money might cause another economic malady called “inflation”).

Keynesianism looks great on paper, the problem is that it relies on a government entity that can obtain *absolute* control over the markets. Singapore has this kind of control; so does China for the most part. Japan, the U.S., Australia, the U.K. and many other first world nations do not (thank God). In the long-run, like Vonskippy said, Japan will experience higher prices (inflation) and more nominal fees (taxes) making life generally more difficult to live for those who aren’t wealthy enough to stay ahead of it.

In the long-run, mis-managed companies going out-of-business is a good thing. It clears the path for new market participants with better ideas and stronger management skills. Since Japan is propping-up JAL, these innovators can’t operate. No one can compete with an entity (like JAL) that can have the government print all of the money it (JAL) needs.

 
Comment by LB
2009-06-24 12:45:12

I might add the other big problem with Keynesianism is that it relies on a government to have the control to spend like crazy when needed to get the economy moving again, and then cut spending drastically once the economy does get moving again, so as to recoup the money spent previously by having tax receipts greater than expenditures.

The obvious problem, which all Keynesian economists seem to overlook, is that no government has ever shown itself ready to drastically cut spending once it gets a taste of having free rein over the nation’s pursestrings. Not to mention that if a politician has successfully injected government money into his district to pay for public works projects or whatever, if he then tries to cut that funding he will almost certainly promptly be voted out of office in favor of an opponent who favors keeping the tap turned on, thereby creating politicians with a vested interest it throwing government money around.

In short, Keynesian economics is like a lot of theories dreamed up by people wh spend all their time thinking instead of observing the real world: it looks great in theory, and might actually work if it wasn’t for this annoying little thing called “human nature”. And of course, proponents would tell you the problem isn’t with the theory itself, even though it ignores the largest and most influential variable. No, the problem is with the humans who, damn them, refuse to set their true nature aside and follow the clearly perfect theory Keynes laid out.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blacknimbus
2009-06-23 22:32:12

A strong centralized government tends to support their buddies….the wealthy CEO’s in companies that are ‘too big to fail’. Capitalism is blind as long as governments don’t get in the way…when they do, bureaucrats choose the winners and losers.

Too big to fail…shouldn’t that be too big to exist?

 
Comment by Level3
2009-06-24 03:25:04

Old bloated companies with old bloated management are supposed to die and make way for better, more innovative, flexible companies.
Keeping all these companies afloat with our taxes is handicapping the new guys and new companies with better ideas about running a business.

Meanwhile, legitmate investors have no idea where to put their money anymore, unable to predict which companies will get special favors and which will get punished, and which will get outright nationalzied and put into the hands of the labor unions while the stock and bondholders are left with nothing.

And some people are surprised that all these bailouts seem to be making everything worse…

 
Comment by qrfar
2009-06-25 04:59:31

Hmmmm.. Why do i read the “jail” in the brandmark?

 
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