The protectorate treaty of 1905 was the beginning of the end and, indeed, it was forced on Korea. But up until that point the Pan-Asiatic identity was more salient than nationalism and Koreans sought a partnership with Japan in the movement. It was about strengthening the position of Asia, until the Japanese imperial government took control of everything.

Saying that there was initial support for Japanese in the Pan-Asiatic movement does not imply that there was support for Japanese colonial rule.

Pan-Asiatic movement against west had existed before the Sino-Japanese war of 1895 and during the World War 2.But after the Russo-Japanese war,the only colonial power that was encroaching peninsula was Imperial Japan.

“Japan was invited to Korea but overstayed their welcome as their power became overwhelming in the region.”

There were “groups”who wanted Japan to back them up for reform and Korean monoarchy had always swift between Tokyo and Moscow and Beijing.But nonetheless Japan entered into Korea with or without an invitation card,or so says in the memoir of Mustu Munemitsu”蹇々録”,who was minister of diplomacy at the time of First Sino-Japanese war.

These descriptions would never pass the guidelines of Ministry of education and science,Alex.

What isn’t entirely accurate is that Japan initially forced itself on Japan. Korea invited Japan to help them fight back against European colonial powers encroaching on Asia, and they requested Japan (the strongest Asian power) to help in the Pan-Asiatic movement against Europe. And then Japan turned into an uncontrollable beast. Then history repeats itself when Japan oversteps its boundaries and attacks Pearl Harbor, drawing in what they thought was an enemy that could be weakened, which in turn turned out to be the same sort of uncontrollable beast that Japan was. (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)

Japan was invited to Korea but overstayed their welcome as their power became overwhelming in the region. But their policies were definitely not “for the benefit of the Korean peoples” – They were purely selfish and served only the Japanese empire. That they in any way may have benefited Korea in the long run is merely coincidence and used as an argument of afterthought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U–JHu29iUY&feature=PlayList&p=AA0806E0A3B04036&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=16

Hey, fair enough! I was really just thinking how much I have enjoyed The Overthinker’s input during discussions such as this!

I was debating whether to go see it and I think it’s still playing in theaters in Japan…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f87trjMI8gs

@Alex:Probably to our dear doctor.I guess.

@helical:The empire invested in Korea for the sake of empire.Not for any other reasons.
However,Japan had offered numerous assistance to South Korea since 1964.Something that is missing from the memory of everyone in Korea on this subject.

And on naming names:Things can be emotional when someone criticize me for my secret attachement to blonde women.But hey,Its my problem.None of yours……

No,negative history gets its fair share in textbook and covered thoroughly in mass media.Something foreign media and Korean public chose not to admit.

“and when it comes to the A-bomb they get so emotional and the noblest human values comes out of their torn and hurt hearts.”

No.A-bomb is considered as one of many atrocities commited in WW2 in Japan,not the only.It just happened to be a fact that Japanese were vicitimizer than victim in World War 2.

And what’s so damn wrong about dreaming about the non-cuclear world,anyway?

“Seems like the Japanese army missed the class, when they were teaching this chapter.”

Well,Bushido has no chapter on pity toward enemy to tell you the truth.And Imperial Rescript to Soldiers and Sailors has a say on “never to become a prisoner and ashame your country”.

“It started as a comment about the japanese foreign minster but ended up bashing Koreans as always.”

So you do admit that this isn’t about “movie” now,eh?

Dr.Yu,I think you are making this emotional yourself.This may not be just a thread on movie like you had said previously,but certainly not about Korean bashing.(besides do we ALWAYS “bash”Koreans? on internet?Either you are too sensitive or addicted to attracting attentions in Japan blogs,Me thinks.)

Take your own advice.just relax and enjoy it.

Anyway you will admit that AFP not only spinned but cooked the event into totally different format….

Come to think of it, as long as we’re naming names, does anyone know what happened to The Overthinker?

So that scene said “fridge was insanely sturdy” rather than “nuclear blast was puny” to me.

But that’s just my opinion.

I believe most of those factories were concentrated in the northern half of the peninsula, which is why immediately following the Korean War and the split, the North was considered to be better off and people who believed in communism flocked to the “paradise on Earth” … to their chagrin and demise, if I may add.

No. Would it have mattered if I was?

So if I watch some version of Zatoichi can I comment, “Japanese do not fully understand the hardships that the blind face in life”?

One:tI think that you are confused person who has very little to offer even on internet.

Two:Never had I bash Koreans as “irrational and emotional”.It’s the contrary.You are the one accusing me for being irrational and emotional and I fully accept the criticism.Still that doesn’t change any of my opinion about you.

Three.Is Alex,a Korean by any chance? And I hack on pretty much anyone.Korean,western or even your nemesis on this blog,Ponta.

Four:OK,that’s what the Power Rangers look like.
So how does this connects with the A-bomb?
And this question leads me back to One,that I think you are confused person who has very little to offer….

I know Assface, oh sorry, Aceface, and you decided to annoy me just because of your sense of mediocrity before the westerners, right? As I said before it`s obvious that you picked me up among other people here just because of my nationality.

Now, the funny here is that japanese people bash koreans as irrational and emotional to discredit us, but in fact you are the only one irrational and emotional here. Easy man …..

Look, you don`t have to apologize me for what your country did to my country, ok? after all, how could I dare to expect something like that from irrational and emotional people like you….

You don’t know Power Rangers? Look:

http://jannawong.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/power-rangers_turboranger.jpg

That is for me to decide.

“Stop revolving around this subject. We are talking about a movie, not history.

Well,”He is smart. By no means he would waste this chance to play the “Victim” card again.”This is not about neither Harrison Ford or Steven Spielberg is it not?
And both you and I(and Nakasone originally)wasn’t talking about movie.

What we have here is a classic situation pot meets kettle as Alex had described.One paranoiac meets another.
But one thing,you know,you are the one who constantly shows up here and leaving annoying comments.Now the road goes both ways for the first time.

Here’s basic fact of what happened.Nakasone was on his way to make trip to four nation.Three of them related with nuclear proliferation.He was about to visit New Zealand and Australia.NZ is the nation that prohibited U.S vessel coming into their waters with nuclear armaments and thus ostracized from ANZUS treaty.They are the real hard core No-nuke states.Kevin Rudd of Australia is also a politician who made nuclear non-proliferation,the key policy of his administration.He even started his first official visit from Hiroshima last year.And Nakasone’s next stop was Iran.
Tokyo just invited Iranian foreign minister in the beginning of april to talk about nuclear proliferation and this is the continuation of the bilateral dialogue.

Nakasone was making this speech before he starts his grand-non-proliferation tour also mentioning praise for Obama’s initiative toward non-nuclear world and urges China to reduce the production of nuclear weapons.Also he mentioned on North Korean nukes.He then mentioned on how the world is not understanding fully the threat of nuclear weapon to the human civilization and quoted one scene of Hollywood movie he saw WITHOUT naming it’s title.

AFP reporter then interviewed MoFA official and found out the very movie was nothing but the latest installment of Indiana Jones franchise.So the reporter made up a story in the only form foreigners would accept,just another toungue-in-cheek wacky Japan story.”J-official making fuss over Indiana Jones movie”.

You and Dr.Yu can use your imaginations fully and question Nakasone’s motivation either he’s playing victim over Hiroshima or doing this for the purpose of electioneering or anti-freedom of expression(WTF?)as you like.But that just isn’t the case,I’m afraid.

Take my advice.It’s the context that is important when you read and analyze the news.Not your prejudice.

God bless web 2.0.We’ve got a brave new world coming……

You could even spin this story and show that Nakasone is anti-freedom of expression. Should the U.S. government enact laws that forbid directors from making scenes displaying nuclear explosions as comically survivable? What about car accidents? Gun fights? Should family members of swine flu victims be outraged at 28 Days Later for portraying the infected as zombies who need to be killed?

Number two.Japanese empire build railways and passenger ferries for the sake of empire and nothing but,However some Korean youth born as third or fourth eldest sons in the peasant family took advantage of the situation by moving to the center of empire where they heard you can make more money and took the opportunity insead of staying in the Korean country side where you have no opportunity what so ever.

Number three.Researchers like Lee Yong-hoon of Seoul University thinks most of the “famine”related description on the Korean text books are fabricated and need to rewritten much more accurately.
Now,neither Lee and I’m saying Japanese “did”good thing to Koreans.However,colonization had the side of modernizing the colony and development of all dimension of human life living there.Not that legitimize the Japanese colonization,which is why every single Korean President demands apology to Japanese prime minister at the summit and they get one,only to bitch that the apology wasn’t “real” or “sincere” or whatever.

So which one are you using?A “race”card? or”victim” card?
You are being selected because of your frequency of the post and the personality behind them and not much else.

“If you don’t agree with me just say so. No personal attacks please.”

That I’ve already did.But do take them personal,because that’s what I intended.

“however they moved because of famine and extreme poverty Korea was facing at that time under Japanese colonization.”

No.There were always famine and extrreme poverty exist in Korea before the colonization and after.It dissapeared only in the south of 38th parallel in the last three decades.But still exist up in the north.

“But this issue has nothing to do with the subject here, unless Aceface wants to keep revolving around it.”

Well if you say so.But you are the one who always connects history and unrelated subjects and keep revolving them around.

“The point here is that Dr. Jones survived a nuclear blast because of a fridge and Nakasone is about to sue Hollywood because of it. Well .. if this becomes a trend than Obama should sue Japan because of Godzilla, Power Rangers, Evangelion, …”

That’s not the point,since Nakasone has no intention of “sueing Hollywood because of it”,or at least for the moment.
Don’t know about Power Rangers,but Evangelion has nothing to do with A-bomb.And Godzilla’s main theme was exactly about horror of nuclear weapons.

My advice.Think before you type.

So what is your take on Nakasone.Apart from being surprised by the lack of awareness of the fictional movie genre.He is pretty acculate on awareness of the weapon of mass destruction genre to my ears….

Get off the high horse,Alex.
You’ve been spending much too much time on internet without having close encounter with natives with English ability.

Number one.I don’t buy guns-don’t-kill-people-people-kill-people logic.It’s the bomb that killed Koreans,otherwise they’ll be still around running pachinko parlors.

Number two.Not every Korean was forced to be in Japan.Some voluntarily came to Japan for various reason they don’t want to admit after 1945.Hiroshima was a port that connects the continent and Japan proper.There were Korean community with or without wartime mobilization of labor.

Number three.Nakasone isn’t Dr.StrangeLove,who happens to stop worrying and begin to love the bomb.Makasone doesn’t love the bomb and that’s why he is worriying.And under current situation surrounding Japan,you may heard some news on North Korean’s building nukes and tested missiles just fly over our heads,diplomatic minister of Japan should rightly be so.
Now the point is,if this is some other countries,most if not all,statesmen would first think about building nuke for themselves.
And considering Nakasone belongs to conservative political party we know as LDP,and is the son of Yasuhiro Nakasone who is probably the most right wing politician we had in the last forty years.With that in mind,I think his response was pretty moderate.

Personally,I think Japan should have a nuke to survive in this rough neighborhood.But if this is the kind of response I get from right-wing politiician,than my dream will never make the day.

And what does everyone in this forum react?”It’s just a movie,”
“Stop acting emotional,”.The same birds who make noises around the most minor trouble regarding Japan and outside world.

Well,if there is one button that make us all emotional,this is it.And you just pushed them.not just once but multiple times.
Nuclear threat to Japanese IS very real.So it has been,and so it will be.

And lastly number four.Who needs to fuel the flame of Dr.Yu anyway.We all know by now that he is a hater who consistently dropping by to share his hate.Koreans in colonial times who suffered under Japanese rule fought for the freedom for their people.And Dr.Yu is wasting this freedom earned at the cost of the generation he probably doesn’t belong.
Talk about blasphemy.

You’ll be seeing me using these phrases in reply to your future posts.Dr.Yu.

If there’s one thing I agree with Ponta,is that you are one of those prick who use history to bash Japan to fulfill your petty inferiority complex.Your comment wasn’t about “the movie”.
It was about Japanese politician and “victim” card.

Do you want to know just a tiny bit more trivia on the world war 2 that you are so eager to preach us Japanese all the time in this comment section EVERY-SINGLE-TIME the topic pops up?
A-bomb also killed Koreans on that day on August 6 in Hiroshima and at least 2600 Koreans died because there were no refrigerator to hide.If you want preach history to others,you better learn a bit more before you do,Doctor.

And no.I didn’t enjoy “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Skull”.The series should have stick with the occult format instead of Sci-fi.

Considering Japanese politicians tendency of saying riduculous things much too often,I found Nakasone’s word is pretty decent.I mean,c’mon.
at least he’s not factually wrong on history here,you know.

I’ll send you that phrase right back at your face next time J-studio makes film on brave Kamikaze pilots.

Obviously it depends on how far the fridge is from the blast epicentre, and how powerful the blast is. Considering that men and animals were c

>A nuclear explosion destroys everything in an instant

Everything? Everywhere? Then the Genbaku Dome must be a fake. After all, it was actually at the epicentre of the Hiroshima blast.

The Indian Jones clip at about 58s seems to show a distance of a least a couple of miles, a survivable distance from a bomb of that era if you’re shielded from the initial heat radiation.

Anyway, this is a film and should be given some artistic licence. Nakasone is politician and should know better than to say riduculous things.

The film wasn’t pro-Israel at all (at least not pro-right-wing-zionist-Israel), and is rather anti-Israel in terms of political ideology in the region. It presented a duality of perception – On the one hand, we have a place to go that was historically ours. On the other, we’re expelling people from their homeland, which is the very same fate which we faced in the diaspora. (At least that’s what I got from it from the perspective of a non-Zionist American secular Jew)

Frankly, I do not know, for such an experiment is very hard to do, and the reports of such experiments are not easily available. If a movie or TV shows one way or the other, I tend to believe that way.

Does anyone know for sure what will happen to a man in a refrigerator when nuked?

The Jewish holocaust is no sadder than any other holocaust, but it holds particular weight in the historical chain of events as it was the first massive-scale genocide the world had seen since it adopted a new world view that holds the idea of “crimes against humanity”. It was an eye-opener, basically.

But even us Jews claim it as the worst. It hits the closest to home for us, but it’s not the only one we see in the media. Rwanda, Sudan, Croatia, Ethiopia, the Kurds in Iraq, Cambodia – These are in the media all the time. To this day you’ll still see news on the BBC of former Khmer Rouge leaders finally kicking the bucket. But Hollywood loves to make movies about WWII because we are Hollywood.

Saying that the Jewish holocaust wasn’t the worst and implying that, therefore, it should be dismissed isn’t very logical at all. But Ahmadinejad would definitely love to have you over for a cuppa.

Oh, and Supercoolmanchu – It was nearly six million of us that were killed off, not one million.

Why was the holocaust different from other genocides?! Was it the sheer number of people killed?

No!!

There have been larger genocides in the past.

Was it because a particular group of people was being targeted?!

No!!

There have been genocides going on for ages.

WWII was not a war against the Jews. It was a war for a return to nihilism. The return to law of the jungle. It was a war against the shared values which religions promote. This is what made WWII especially horrible.

For the liberals out there, imagine a new Bush vote rigging into office every “election”.

For Jews, just imagine a new Jimmy Carter every four years.

For fiscal conservatives, just imagine another Bush or Obama every fours years.

For Republicans just imagine Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton on the same ticket and their campaigning lasting longer than the OJ Simpson media fiasco….In full volume…All the time…Same jokes over and over again…

Funny how no one seems to follow that advice when it comes to Blackface… but 70,000 people being vaporized and long-term casualties reaching upwards to 200,000 — hell, laugh it off.

The fact that you compared a group of Christian pedophiles showcased on SOUTH PARK to 1 million Jews systematically being executed in front of their families clearly demonstrates your character and your level of understanding. I mean really. It’s really no surprise.

No offense.