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	<title>Comments on: Pro-North Korean groups demand apology from Osaka governor</title>
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		<title>By: Ikunochan</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312502</link>
		<dc:creator>Ikunochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent!  I can actually imagine him saying all of that! I hope he does it, too!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!  I can actually imagine him saying all of that! I hope he does it, too!  <img src='http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Witzl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Witzl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is nonsense to expect Hashimoto to apologize for such an innocuous comment, and the people demanding this ought to be ashamed of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is nonsense to expect Hashimoto to apologize for such an innocuous comment, and the people demanding this ought to be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Level3</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312440</link>
		<dc:creator>Level3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh heh, you&#039;re assuming NK brainwashees and NK in general use logic. Just like any extremist/believer; be it creationists, 9-11 conspiracy nuts, UFO believers, jihadhis, etc. Logic doesn&#039;t apply. Even if you trounce them in a debate, they will not change their mind, or even admit they lost. They are usually so far gone they don&#039;t even KNOW they lost.
Though in the case of totalitarian dictatorships, there might be plenty of smart NK people who know better, but also know if they speak up, or even just remain silent rather than vigorously cheer the party line about the Great Leader, they&#039;ll get themselves and their entire family re-educated with a bullet through the base if the skull.

Everything any foreigner says about NK is an insult.
Everything any loyal NK citizen says about NK makes perfect sense.

The best counteraction is to say &quot;I know you just have to say what you&#039;re saying because you&#039;re afraid the Great Leader will kill you and your family. I understand.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh, you&#8217;re assuming NK brainwashees and NK in general use logic. Just like any extremist/believer; be it creationists, 9-11 conspiracy nuts, UFO believers, jihadhis, etc. Logic doesn&#8217;t apply. Even if you trounce them in a debate, they will not change their mind, or even admit they lost. They are usually so far gone they don&#8217;t even KNOW they lost.<br />
Though in the case of totalitarian dictatorships, there might be plenty of smart NK people who know better, but also know if they speak up, or even just remain silent rather than vigorously cheer the party line about the Great Leader, they&#8217;ll get themselves and their entire family re-educated with a bullet through the base if the skull.</p>
<p>Everything any foreigner says about NK is an insult.<br />
Everything any loyal NK citizen says about NK makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>The best counteraction is to say &#8220;I know you just have to say what you&#8217;re saying because you&#8217;re afraid the Great Leader will kill you and your family. I understand.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mikeguest</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312436</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeguest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s one thing I do not get here. The governer of Osaka said that Japan is not a dictatorship, unlike N. Korea. Now why would that be an insult to N. Korea supporters??? Obviously they should be saying &quot;Yes. It is a dictatorship and that dictatorship is great and benevolent due to our great leader&quot; etc. because, dammit, they support North Korea&#039;s system! Are they somehow implying that Japanese style democracy is better than the N. Korean system, the system they purport to hold allegience to? Denying that the country is a dictatorship, or arguing that saying so is some kind of insult, seems to me to be a denial of the alleged &#039;supreme wisdom&#039; (or whstever) of Kim Jong-Il, which would not go down well in Pyongyang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one thing I do not get here. The governer of Osaka said that Japan is not a dictatorship, unlike N. Korea. Now why would that be an insult to N. Korea supporters??? Obviously they should be saying &#8220;Yes. It is a dictatorship and that dictatorship is great and benevolent due to our great leader&#8221; etc. because, dammit, they support North Korea&#8217;s system! Are they somehow implying that Japanese style democracy is better than the N. Korean system, the system they purport to hold allegience to? Denying that the country is a dictatorship, or arguing that saying so is some kind of insult, seems to me to be a denial of the alleged &#8216;supreme wisdom&#8217; (or whstever) of Kim Jong-Il, which would not go down well in Pyongyang.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Korea was more industrialized after the war. It&#039;s infrastructure was much more developed and militarily it was far stronger than the South for a very long time. On top of that Pyongyang was also considered a center of Christianity in Asia. It used to be called the Jerusalem of the East. Many Koreans probably figured all these factors together when deciding to side with the North after the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Korea was more industrialized after the war. It&#8217;s infrastructure was much more developed and militarily it was far stronger than the South for a very long time. On top of that Pyongyang was also considered a center of Christianity in Asia. It used to be called the Jerusalem of the East. Many Koreans probably figured all these factors together when deciding to side with the North after the war.</p>
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		<title>By: The Overthinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Overthinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was - the bulk of Japanese industrial investment in Korea before the war was in the northern half, so all the factories and infrastructure was there for the taking after the war. For the first decade or so after the war Nork had a higher GDP. But then The Supercalifragilisticexpealidocious Leader and his buddies managed to squander all that and ruin the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was &#8211; the bulk of Japanese industrial investment in Korea before the war was in the northern half, so all the factories and infrastructure was there for the taking after the war. For the first decade or so after the war Nork had a higher GDP. But then The Supercalifragilisticexpealidocious Leader and his buddies managed to squander all that and ruin the country.</p>
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		<title>By: ダビ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ダビ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those of North Korean ancestry in Japan....&quot;

Strictly speaking they are not of North Korean ancestry, North Korea didn&#039;t exist when their ancestors came to Japan. They did however choose NK citizenship over SK after the war. Apparently at the time NK seemed to many people like the country with the brightest future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those of North Korean ancestry in Japan&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strictly speaking they are not of North Korean ancestry, North Korea didn&#8217;t exist when their ancestors came to Japan. They did however choose NK citizenship over SK after the war. Apparently at the time NK seemed to many people like the country with the brightest future.</p>
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		<title>By: Level3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Level3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the Japanese (or Osaka) government takes those offers of 300,000 yen for a plane ticket home deals for the unemployed nikkei from Brazil and Peru, and give the same offer to the North Koreans?

I bet none would accept. 
They&#039;d have to give up certain luxuries, like electricity, hospitals, freedom of speech, food...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Japanese (or Osaka) government takes those offers of 300,000 yen for a plane ticket home deals for the unemployed nikkei from Brazil and Peru, and give the same offer to the North Koreans?</p>
<p>I bet none would accept.<br />
They&#8217;d have to give up certain luxuries, like electricity, hospitals, freedom of speech, food&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312398</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, people have always have had the CHOICE to LEAVE the country and go back to one&#039;s own, any time, whenever one wants.  They have that freedom to CHOOSE in a free country, so they should do so for their own sanity and happiness.

That&#039;s not so hard to understand, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, people have always have had the CHOICE to LEAVE the country and go back to one&#8217;s own, any time, whenever one wants.  They have that freedom to CHOOSE in a free country, so they should do so for their own sanity and happiness.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not so hard to understand, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: helical</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312390</link>
		<dc:creator>helical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be gratifying to see these people complaining be rounded up and shipped off to their beloved motherland, but then that would be so ... North Korean.

Or not. They would have been just shot if Japan was like North Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be gratifying to see these people complaining be rounded up and shipped off to their beloved motherland, but then that would be so &#8230; North Korean.</p>
<p>Or not. They would have been just shot if Japan was like North Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Garamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think his comment was funny and truthful and, no, he shouldn&#039;t apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his comment was funny and truthful and, no, he shouldn&#8217;t apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312385</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has the balls to say what everyone is thinking while recognizing that as a politician he can&#039;t have everything he wants. What&#039;s wrong with this? If they don&#039;t like freedom of speech in Japan I seriously suggest they get on the slow boat back to North Korea. I usually shy away from using such responses to these kind of things, but they clearly would enjoy their life there more than they do here. What with all the free speech and terrible things that go on like that here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has the balls to say what everyone is thinking while recognizing that as a politician he can&#8217;t have everything he wants. What&#8217;s wrong with this? If they don&#8217;t like freedom of speech in Japan I seriously suggest they get on the slow boat back to North Korea. I usually shy away from using such responses to these kind of things, but they clearly would enjoy their life there more than they do here. What with all the free speech and terrible things that go on like that here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312383</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an unnecessary comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an unnecessary comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Level3</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312381</link>
		<dc:creator>Level3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An apology would piss off far more people I expect.
Espcially for syaing something that is true.
Hope he make a comeback to these insane NK types,
&quot;I SAID this is NOT North Korea, I&#039;m not a dictator, and neither are you. 
P.S. Kim Jong Il is batshit insane and your country is a shithole. 
P.P.S. Why the fuck don&#039;t you move back to NK instead of living comfortably in Japan?&quot;

I think he should be prime-minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An apology would piss off far more people I expect.<br />
Espcially for syaing something that is true.<br />
Hope he make a comeback to these insane NK types,<br />
&#8220;I SAID this is NOT North Korea, I&#8217;m not a dictator, and neither are you.<br />
P.S. Kim Jong Il is batshit insane and your country is a shithole.<br />
P.P.S. Why the fuck don&#8217;t you move back to NK instead of living comfortably in Japan?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think he should be prime-minister.</p>
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		<title>By: R.</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312372</link>
		<dc:creator>R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They act like parasites. That end up involving S. Koreans as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They act like parasites. That end up involving S. Koreans as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ikunochan</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ikunochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should not be expected to apologize, and it seems that it would be really out of character for him to do so over a comment like that.  Given that Osaka has a pretty large, politically active Korean population, I&#039;m guessing he may even have expected the criticism.

I&#039;ll be interested to see whether or not he does apologize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should not be expected to apologize, and it seems that it would be really out of character for him to do so over a comment like that.  Given that Osaka has a pretty large, politically active Korean population, I&#8217;m guessing he may even have expected the criticism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested to see whether or not he does apologize!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/04/03/pro-north-korean-groups-demand-apology-from-osaka-governor/comment-page-1/#comment-312351</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah because primary school kids love to read up on politician quotes and tease people with them. also not like anything he said wasn&#039;t true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah because primary school kids love to read up on politician quotes and tease people with them. also not like anything he said wasn&#8217;t true</p>
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		<title>By: Rated-R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rated-R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone oughtta F those muthaz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone oughtta F those muthaz!</p>
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