Comments on: Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/ Japan News Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:32:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: What’s Happening? » Blog Archive » How the Crash Will Reshape America | the Brooklyn Revue http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-300473 What’s Happening? » Blog Archive » How the Crash Will Reshape America | the Brooklyn Revue Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:36:55 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-300473 [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...] [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...]

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]]> By: ben http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-300387 ben Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:52:39 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-300387 but because of her parents action she must not suffer for what they did. but because of her parents action she must not suffer for what they did.

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]]> By: Level3 http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-300006 Level3 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:58:55 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-300006 I can assure you that the incompetence and moving goalposts are entirely the fault of the Japanese civil servants, Japanese regulations, and the inability to handle my atypical situation. I even suspected it was my language ability that made the whole situation seem like nonsense, so I got my Japanese boss to handle negotiations right from the end of Day One, when it was clear things were not going smoothly. She assured me that it WAS a non-sensical situation, and not the fault of my Japanese language skills. All of your other ASSumptions about me are also wrong. If they had deported the family right away, before Noriko had been allowed to be born in, and become a teenager in Japan, that would have been the correct thing. They didn't, they were incompetent, they delayed, and now the government is just as responsible for the situation as her parents. I can assure you that the incompetence and moving goalposts are entirely the fault of the Japanese civil servants, Japanese regulations, and the inability to handle my atypical situation. I even suspected it was my language ability that made the whole situation seem like nonsense, so I got my Japanese boss to handle negotiations right from the end of Day One, when it was clear things were not going smoothly. She assured me that it WAS a non-sensical situation, and not the fault of my Japanese language skills.

All of your other ASSumptions about me are also wrong.

If they had deported the family right away, before Noriko had been allowed to be born in, and become a teenager in Japan, that would have been the correct thing.
They didn’t, they were incompetent, they delayed, and now the government is just as responsible for the situation as her parents.

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]]> By: R. http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299913 R. Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:51:28 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299913 You purposely ignore the fact I was just making a playful analogy, don't you? You purposely ignore the fact I was just making a playful analogy, don’t you?

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]]> By: Bryce http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299905 Bryce Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:22:49 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299905 Of course Debito is "Japanese". It's simply that the word applies to two concepts: ethnicity and citizenship. Of course, there are times when saying "I am a Japanese citizen" makes more sense than saying "I am Japanese", a fact that Debito has taken advantage of. Nevertheless, you can't say he *isn't* Japanese Of course Debito is “Japanese”. It’s simply that the word applies to two concepts: ethnicity and citizenship. Of course, there are times when saying “I am a Japanese citizen” makes more sense than saying “I am Japanese”, a fact that Debito has taken advantage of. Nevertheless, you can’t say he *isn’t* Japanese

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299894 The Overthinker Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:20:02 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299894 "I do agree that it is not fair that she has to be punished for the actions of her parents. But it is also not fair to say she can stay" So which "not fair" outweighs the other? That is precisely what the courts and government and whathaveyou are working out. "and sending exactly the wrong message and setting exactly the wrong precedent." So you predict a wave of migrants raising children under the radar until they are in their early teens who think they are Japanese? I seem to remember something about a legal distinction between illegal immigrant and non-registered alien. That is, overstaying a visa is a different crime from not having one to begin with. And while obviously sneaking into the country without one is another matter, I'm sure I read something about the difference between (a) overstaying the visa *and* (b) being without a residence status, and just being without a residence status. “I do agree that it is not fair that she has to be punished for the actions of her parents. But it is also not fair to say she can stay”

So which “not fair” outweighs the other? That is precisely what the courts and government and whathaveyou are working out.

“and sending exactly the wrong message and setting exactly the wrong precedent.”

So you predict a wave of migrants raising children under the radar until they are in their early teens who think they are Japanese?

I seem to remember something about a legal distinction between illegal immigrant and non-registered alien. That is, overstaying a visa is a different crime from not having one to begin with. And while obviously sneaking into the country without one is another matter, I’m sure I read something about the difference between (a) overstaying the visa *and* (b) being without a residence status, and just being without a residence status.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299876 The Overthinker Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:22:56 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299876 What if the government has the legal ability to grant this appeal? In that case the law says that she first has to go, then that she can stay. in other words, the law is flexible. It is precisely because there is a serious issue of fairness that this case even exists in the first place. What if the government has the legal ability to grant this appeal? In that case the law says that she first has to go, then that she can stay. in other words, the law is flexible. It is precisely because there is a serious issue of fairness that this case even exists in the first place.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299873 LB Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:55:24 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299873 She has ties to the Philippines. Two of them. Her mom and her dad. She has ties to the Philippines. Two of them. Her mom and her dad.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299872 LB Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:53:55 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299872 Actually, she is an illegal immigrant, just not one by choice. She is not in Japan legally. She has no visa, she never applied for nor received permission to live here, she just has the bad fortune to have been born from the union of two illegals in a country that, like most, does not recognize jus solis. I do agree that it is not fair that she has to be punished for the actions of her parents. But it is also not fair to say she can stay, and since she is a minor so can her parents (even if just until she reaches the age of majority). That would be rewarding them for breaking the law, and sending exactly the wrong message and setting exactly the wrong precedent. Actually, she is an illegal immigrant, just not one by choice. She is not in Japan legally. She has no visa, she never applied for nor received permission to live here, she just has the bad fortune to have been born from the union of two illegals in a country that, like most, does not recognize jus solis.

I do agree that it is not fair that she has to be punished for the actions of her parents. But it is also not fair to say she can stay, and since she is a minor so can her parents (even if just until she reaches the age of majority). That would be rewarding them for breaking the law, and sending exactly the wrong message and setting exactly the wrong precedent.

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]]> By: AM http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299862 AM Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:02:31 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299862 I have to disagree here. If her parents came into the country as illegal immigrants, than obviously she should have never been born in Japan in the first place. Granted, I am sure that her parent's are only acting on the behalf of the best interest of their daughter, but is it fair to put one child's interest over the law and Sovereignty of a country? Yes, you can argue that no one is really being "hurt" in this specific case, but then you have to take into account that if you let one "exception" to pass through the crack, your setting up a precedence where others in the future can pull off a similar stunt and be allowed to do so. The issue isn't about what is FAIR for the cild but what is LEGAL in this case. I have to disagree here.

If her parents came into the country as illegal immigrants, than obviously she should have never been born in Japan in the first place. Granted, I am sure that her parent’s are only acting on the behalf of the best interest of their daughter, but is it fair to put one child’s interest over the law and Sovereignty of a country?

Yes, you can argue that no one is really being “hurt” in this specific case, but then you have to take into account that if you let one “exception” to pass through the crack, your setting up a precedence where others in the future can pull off a similar stunt and be allowed to do so.

The issue isn’t about what is FAIR for the cild but what is LEGAL in this case.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299847 The Overthinker Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:05:17 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299847 "I think what he means is something along the line that you can’t be black just because you hold south african citizenship." Let's use Kenya instead. But no one is arguing that Debito is 'yellow'. I would never call myself black if I got Kenyan citizenship, but I would call myself Kenyan. Again, we can't use "Asian" as "Asian" is not a race, still less an ethnicity, but "Japanese" is largely a cultural construct anyway. “I think what he means is something along the line that you can’t be black just because you hold south african citizenship.”

Let’s use Kenya instead. But no one is arguing that Debito is ‘yellow’. I would never call myself black if I got Kenyan citizenship, but I would call myself Kenyan. Again, we can’t use “Asian” as “Asian” is not a race, still less an ethnicity, but “Japanese” is largely a cultural construct anyway.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299846 The Overthinker Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:01:11 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299846 How can you have a koseki if you are not a Japanese citizen? Unless of course you are, but that would be a large chunk of the picture you are not giving us. When I married, my wife was indeed taken off her father's. But since I do not have a koseki, she was given her own. Hers, not mine. I'm on it, but it's not my koseki. How can you have a koseki if you are not a Japanese citizen? Unless of course you are, but that would be a large chunk of the picture you are not giving us.

When I married, my wife was indeed taken off her father’s. But since I do not have a koseki, she was given her own. Hers, not mine. I’m on it, but it’s not my koseki.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299844 RMilner Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:41:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299844 When I married, my wife was taken off the koseki tohon belonging to her father, since she left his household. A new one was created for me as head of the newly created family and my wife was put on it. Our daughter has since been added to it. When I married, my wife was taken off the koseki tohon belonging to her father, since she left his household.

A new one was created for me as head of the newly created family and my wife was put on it. Our daughter has since been added to it.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299843 RMilner Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:38:00 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299843 You are right that illegal immigration harms legal immigration. This girl isn't an illegal immigrant, though, her parents are. There is a difference between "turning a blind eye" and taking a considered humanitarian stance on a specific situation. Making an exception in an exceptional case is not opening the flood gates. You are right that illegal immigration harms legal immigration.

This girl isn’t an illegal immigrant, though, her parents are.

There is a difference between “turning a blind eye” and taking a considered humanitarian stance on a specific situation. Making an exception in an exceptional case is not opening the flood gates.

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]]> By: tokyojesusfist http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299819 tokyojesusfist Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:33:04 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299819 I don't see how Noriko belongs to a country she has never visited and has no ties to. I don’t see how Noriko belongs to a country she has never visited and has no ties to.

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]]> By: tokyojesusfist http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299818 tokyojesusfist Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:29:35 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299818 So you're saying they should deport her because that's what they would do in a movie? Jesus pissing Christ. So you’re saying they should deport her because that’s what they would do in a movie? Jesus pissing Christ.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299484 ponta Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:38:39 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299484 <blockquote>I should have thought the government would be only too keen to accept someone who was born and brought up in Japan, and is fully socialised.</blockquote> She is fully socialized and her parents have had no criminal records but they have a good record as hard working employees for long time, I think it is good idea to accept the family. If the government is worried about the illegal immigration, then all it has to do is to penalize them in other ways.

I should have thought the government would be only too keen to accept someone who was born and brought up in Japan, and is fully socialised.

She is fully socialized and her parents have had no criminal records
but they have a good record as hard working employees for long time, I think it is good idea to accept the family.
If the government is worried about the illegal immigration, then all it has to do is to penalize them in other ways.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299482 LB Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:37:41 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299482 On the contrary, cracking down in illegal immigration benefits legal immigrants. Turning a blind eye to illegals does no-one any favors, aside from those who would exploit illegals with long hours, low pay, no benefits etc., as they know the illegals have nowhere to go. It also harms legals as they cannot fairly compete since employers have to pay them fair wages and offer benefits. On the contrary, cracking down in illegal immigration benefits legal immigrants. Turning a blind eye to illegals does no-one any favors, aside from those who would exploit illegals with long hours, low pay, no benefits etc., as they know the illegals have nowhere to go. It also harms legals as they cannot fairly compete since employers have to pay them fair wages and offer benefits.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299360 The Overthinker Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:57:18 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299360 I have no idea myself. But that seems to be the (official) story. I have no idea myself. But that seems to be the (official) story.

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]]> By: noodles http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299340 noodles Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:38:23 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299340 My parents speak to each other and to me in Vietnamese... but I reply in English. Furthermore, I don't communicate with them very often (sad, yes I know) My parents speak to each other and to me in Vietnamese… but I reply in English. Furthermore, I don’t communicate with them very often (sad, yes I know)

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299318 Kevin Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:13:31 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299318 Bruce, Debito is not ethnically Japanese, but he *is* Japanese. There's a difference. Bruce, Debito is not ethnically Japanese, but he *is* Japanese. There’s a difference.

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]]> By: nigelboy http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299307 nigelboy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:04:35 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299307 Why do I get the sense that if Japanese government just deported the Calderons without any hesitation or reconsideration that Level3 would be the first to bitch and whine how Japan isn't "compassionate"?? Since Level3 offered his own personal experience, let me share mine. The problem with many gaijin dealing with government level bureaucrats and clerks is that because of their inability of the Japanese language, it takes 10 times longer if not more to accomplish a simple task. And most often, rather than face up to their own incompetence, they shift their blame on the "Japanese" or even worse, try to steer in the direction to "Japanese are out to get gaijins". Why do I get the sense that if Japanese government just deported the Calderons without any hesitation or reconsideration that Level3 would be the first to bitch and whine how Japan isn’t “compassionate”??

Since Level3 offered his own personal experience, let me share mine.

The problem with many gaijin dealing with government level bureaucrats and clerks is that because of their inability of the Japanese language, it takes 10 times longer if not more to accomplish a simple task. And most often, rather than face up to their own incompetence, they shift their blame on the “Japanese” or even worse, try to steer in the direction to “Japanese are out to get gaijins”.

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]]> By: weirdo http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299214 weirdo Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:05:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299214 Seriously? What the hell. She must have known...your parents' accents aren't things you can easily overlook... Seriously? What the hell. She must have known…your parents’ accents aren’t things you can easily overlook…

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]]> By: Ikunochan http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299193 Ikunochan Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:33:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299193 I absolutely agree about the slimy lawyers with their own agenda. I doubt they actually give much of a damn about the girl and her family. I absolutely agree about the slimy lawyers with their own agenda. I doubt they actually give much of a damn about the girl and her family.

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]]> By: weirdo http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299167 weirdo Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:56:13 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299167 Seriously? You'd have thought her parents' accents would give it away or something... Seriously? You’d have thought her parents’ accents would give it away or something…

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]]> By: weirdo http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299161 weirdo Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:53:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299161 I think what he means is something along the line that you can't be black just because you hold south african citizenship. I think what he means is something along the line that you can’t be black just because you hold south african citizenship.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299146 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:39:34 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299146 Oh yes, and excute the children and pets of murderers. Only makes sense, right? Anyway, the Bible supports the idea - the sins of the father, etc. Oh yes, and excute the children and pets of murderers. Only makes sense, right? Anyway, the Bible supports the idea – the sins of the father, etc.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299145 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:37:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299145 So is any white person holding a citizenship outside of Europe also not an American or Canadian or whatever? So is any white person holding a citizenship outside of Europe also not an American or Canadian or whatever?

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299144 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:35:25 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299144 My post was a little muddled - the first sentence was about your wife, the rest was about Noriko. On YOUR koseki tohon? My post was a little muddled – the first sentence was about your wife, the rest was about Noriko.

On YOUR koseki tohon?

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299140 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:32:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299140 "Filipino girl born and raised in Japan faces deportation" If you mean she was a baby when she arrived in Japan, then so were virtually all the Japanese. “Filipino girl born and raised in Japan faces deportation”

If you mean she was a baby when she arrived in Japan, then so were virtually all the Japanese.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299131 RMilner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:18:09 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299131 Who really believes that allowing this girl to stay in Japan would invite a flood of illegal immigrants to the country? Japan is currently crying out of Philipino nurses, because they can't find enough native Japanese nurses to staff hospitals. Throwing out this girl hardly shows proper consideration and hospitality to other immigrants they want to attract. Who really believes that allowing this girl to stay in Japan would invite a flood of illegal immigrants to the country?

Japan is currently crying out of Philipino nurses, because they can’t find enough native Japanese nurses to staff hospitals.

Throwing out this girl hardly shows proper consideration and hospitality to other immigrants they want to attract.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299129 RMilner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299129 What is the difference? He holds a Japanese passport. He has a Japanese name. He can enter and reside in Japan without let or hindrance. He can vote in Japanese elections. He is at least as Japanese as the returning Brazillian Japanese. What is the difference?

He holds a Japanese passport. He has a Japanese name. He can enter and reside in Japan without let or hindrance. He can vote in Japanese elections.

He is at least as Japanese as the returning Brazillian Japanese.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299126 RMilner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:13:09 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299126 That was my wife I was talking about. She uses both her original Japanese surname and her English married name as convenient. For example, she is on my koseki-tohon under the name Milner, but her passport is in the name *** (Milner). We have a hanko in kanji that mean Milner (or miruna, perhaps.) Maybe people wouldn't know from the hanko that the name is foreign. My wife has been taken for a foreigner in Japan, when speaking Japanese face to face without giving her name, because she was sitting with me. What I mean is, the other person expressed surprise that she could speak Japanese. (Despite her having born and lived her first 25 years in the Kanto.) All this is slightly off the topic but it illustrates my point that national identity is more complex than being born somewhere or having parents from somewhere, or whatever. That was my wife I was talking about. She uses both her original Japanese surname and her English married name as convenient.

For example, she is on my koseki-tohon under the name Milner, but her passport is in the name *** (Milner). We have a hanko in kanji that mean Milner (or miruna, perhaps.) Maybe people wouldn’t know from the hanko that the name is foreign.

My wife has been taken for a foreigner in Japan, when speaking Japanese face to face without giving her name, because she was sitting with me. What I mean is, the other person expressed surprise that she could speak Japanese. (Despite her having born and lived her first 25 years in the Kanto.)

All this is slightly off the topic but it illustrates my point that national identity is more complex than being born somewhere or having parents from somewhere, or whatever.

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]]> By: Bruce Smith http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-299125 Bruce Smith Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:09:49 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-299125 Arudou Debito is not Japanese. He merely holds Japanese citizenship. There is a difference. Arudou Debito is not Japanese. He merely holds Japanese citizenship. There is a difference.

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]]> By: hl http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298940 hl Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:10:03 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298940 she was a baby when she arrived in japan is the point I can see someone having no useful language ability. I grew up in a bilingual home. if you dropped me in my country of ethnic origin I would not be able to function. My understanding is fair at best and far surpasses my speaking ability. Imagine having the fluency of a five year old and then letting that deteriorate over several years. You get to the point where you can't speak anymore. she was a baby when she arrived in japan is the point

I can see someone having no useful language ability.

I grew up in a bilingual home. if you dropped me in my country of ethnic origin I would not be able to function. My understanding is fair at best and far surpasses my speaking ability. Imagine having the fluency of a five year old and then letting that deteriorate over several years. You get to the point where you can’t speak anymore.

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]]> By: R. http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298939 R. Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:05:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298939 Like you see in the movies for example. A character inherits some problem or see his ancestor evilness then to redeem himself try to do everything. Like you see in the movies for example. A character inherits some problem or see his ancestor evilness then to redeem himself try to do everything.

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]]> By: hl http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298938 hl Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:04:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298938 jailing a kid for being born in Japan? jailing a kid for being born in Japan?

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298933 ponta Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:48:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298933 The similar problem takes place with the U.S policy. Think of someone born in Mexico who was later brought to the U.S. by her parents as a baby. The similar problem takes place with the U.S policy. Think of someone born in Mexico who was later brought to the U.S. by her parents as a baby.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298928 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:32:50 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298928 And does she ever get taken for a foreigner when she calls herself 'Milner' on the phone or in writing? Going to school in Japan with a very non-Japanese last name, someone is bound to have asked her, are you a foreigner? What was her response? What had her parents told her? And does she ever get taken for a foreigner when she calls herself ‘Milner’ on the phone or in writing? Going to school in Japan with a very non-Japanese last name, someone is bound to have asked her, are you a foreigner? What was her response? What had her parents told her?

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298926 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:29:43 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298926 "I would not be happy calling myself just an American." Funny, I thought American culture was predicated on being a melting pot. Although that is obviously not true, as everyone seeks to distinguish themselves somehow - Irish-American, Italian-American, Japanese-American, Vulcan-American, etc. "I would send her back to the Philippines for now, children are their parents responsibility." Which is why I support jailing children of lawbreakers as well. “I would not be happy calling myself just an American.”
Funny, I thought American culture was predicated on being a melting pot. Although that is obviously not true, as everyone seeks to distinguish themselves somehow – Irish-American, Italian-American, Japanese-American, Vulcan-American, etc.

“I would send her back to the Philippines for now, children are their parents responsibility.”

Which is why I support jailing children of lawbreakers as well.

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]]> By: What’s Buzzing? » Blog Archive » Time’S Up — Tribehive http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298922 What’s Buzzing? » Blog Archive » Time’S Up — Tribehive Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:56:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298922 [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...] [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...]

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]]> By: What’s Buzzing? » Blog Archive » Time’S Up — Tribehive http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298923 What’s Buzzing? » Blog Archive » Time’S Up — Tribehive Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:56:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298923 [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...] [...] Noriko Calderon speaks to the international press | Japan Probe [...]

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]]> By: contact http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298912 contact Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:23:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298912 Gee, which part of the word "Illegal" they don't understand? Feels so good to victimize themselves, eh? They must go back to the place they belong. All of them. Now. If anyone to blame, that would be the parents who started the whole mess in the first place by illegally entering this country. Blame them. End of the story. Also, the lawyers and the so-called supporters behind this family who have their own political agenda can go back to their own home. Man gyong bong isn't coming to Niigata anymore, so they better return there via China. Gee, which part of the word “Illegal” they don’t understand? Feels so
good to victimize themselves, eh?

They must go back to the place they belong. All of them. Now.

If anyone to blame, that would be the parents who started the whole
mess in the first place by illegally entering this country. Blame them.
End of the story.

Also, the lawyers and the so-called supporters behind this family who
have their own political agenda can go back to their own home. Man
gyong bong isn’t coming to Niigata anymore, so they better return there
via China.

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]]> By: Dr.Yu http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298907 Dr.Yu Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:47:14 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298907 Good luck to her and her family. Good luck to her and her family.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298892 RMilner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:59:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298892 The Japanese have a serious demographic problem with the population decline. It has turned out that immigrants such as Brazilians of Japanese descent are not well acculturated to Japanese norms and have difficulty fitting in. I should have thought the government would be only too keen to accept someone who was born and brought up in Japan, and is fully socialised. The Japanese have a serious demographic problem with the population decline.

It has turned out that immigrants such as Brazilians of Japanese descent are not well acculturated to Japanese norms and have difficulty fitting in.

I should have thought the government would be only too keen to accept someone who was born and brought up in Japan, and is fully socialised.

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]]> By: RMilner http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298891 RMilner Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:55:34 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298891 What's Japanese? What's in a name? Arudou Debito is Japanese and he would remain Japanese if he changed his name back. My wife is Japanese even though her married name is Milner. What’s Japanese? What’s in a name?

Arudou Debito is Japanese and he would remain Japanese if he changed his name back.

My wife is Japanese even though her married name is Milner.

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]]> By: kay http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298882 kay Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:41:50 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298882 " A child who grows up in Japan, speaking Japanese, going to Japanese schools, being taught Japanese political stances by the schools, government, and society, and understand mostly only Japanese is, by all means, a Japanese." <--- As to this. She may understand Japanese culture, but she is not by any means "Japanese." She will have two viewpoints, that of her family and that of her environment. I can say that being raised by immigrant parents, I may have gone through the American school system, speak english, but there are aspects of what I've grown up with, culture is the word, that are beyond what "American culture" encompasses. I would not be happy calling myself just an American. Because I am of mixed asian descent, I see myself as an Asian-American. Nationality and Race/Ethnicity. Perhaps Noriko has never learned to embrace her uniqueness. This is understandable, in a country in like Japan, where homogenity (the nail that sticks out is hammered down), blending in is encouraged. I would send her back to the Philippines for now, children are their parents responsibility. If she is able to I would bet a Japanese school would sponsor a child like Noriko, and have the school sponsor her return to Japan. When she's 18, she can move back to Japan, and start her own life. ” A child who grows up in Japan, speaking Japanese, going to Japanese schools, being taught Japanese political stances by the schools, government, and society, and understand mostly only Japanese is, by all means, a Japanese.” <— As to this. She may understand Japanese culture, but she is not by any means “Japanese.” She will have two viewpoints, that of her family and that of her environment.

I can say that being raised by immigrant parents, I may have gone through the American school system, speak english, but there are aspects of what I’ve grown up with, culture is the word, that are beyond what “American culture” encompasses. I would not be happy calling myself just an American. Because I am of mixed asian descent, I see myself as an Asian-American. Nationality and Race/Ethnicity.

Perhaps Noriko has never learned to embrace her uniqueness. This is understandable, in a country in like Japan, where homogenity (the nail that sticks out is hammered down), blending in is encouraged.

I would send her back to the Philippines for now, children are their parents responsibility. If she is able to I would bet a Japanese school would sponsor a child like Noriko, and have the school sponsor her return to Japan. When she’s 18, she can move back to Japan, and start her own life.

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]]> By: Christine http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298870 Christine Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:01:30 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298870 Geeze, Japan has incredibly strict (not to mention ridiculous) immigration laws. Even though Noriko was born and grew up in Japan, she faces deportation? I'm really surprised at everyone's comments--try to put yourselves in the girl's shoes. She's being forced from the country where she was born and raised, where all her friends are, the place she calls home, and deported to a country to which she's never been? A country whose language she doesn't even speak? (Yes, this point is debatable, but her parents may have raised her speaking English not Tagalog, which would explain why she can't speak it.) Of course she doesn't want to go. Why should she face such ire for wanting to stay? Then again, I wouldn't call Saitama that much better than the P.I., although Warabi does have that awesome JUSCO. Geeze, Japan has incredibly strict (not to mention ridiculous) immigration laws. Even though Noriko was born and grew up in Japan, she faces deportation?

I’m really surprised at everyone’s comments–try to put yourselves in the girl’s shoes. She’s being forced from the country where she was born and raised, where all her friends are, the place she calls home, and deported to a country to which she’s never been? A country whose language she doesn’t even speak? (Yes, this point is debatable, but her parents may have raised her speaking English not Tagalog, which would explain why she can’t speak it.) Of course she doesn’t want to go. Why should she face such ire for wanting to stay?

Then again, I wouldn’t call Saitama that much better than the P.I., although Warabi does have that awesome JUSCO.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298854 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:20:41 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298854 What language did your parents speak to each other and you in? What language did your parents speak to each other and you in?

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]]> By: Brian http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298853 Brian Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:00:56 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298853 This is a point where I like America's policy. While automatically granting children of illegal immigrants citizen status does have its problems (20-odd million immigrants entering illegally and having upwards of three children per woman), it is, nevertheless, common sense. A child who grows up in Japan, speaking Japanese, going to Japanese schools, being taught Japanese political stances by the schools, government, and society, and understand mostly only Japanese is, by all means, a Japanese. Or to use an other analogy which is kind of odd to use here but fits well: if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish, feels like a fish, sounds like a fish, and acts like a fish, it's a fish. Of course, granting citizen to the parents is an entirely different matter, but they've always been here this long and deporting them would cause unnecessary harm to the child. Japan should take the Taiwan route with dealing with her parents -- the status quo. This is a point where I like America’s policy. While automatically granting children of illegal immigrants citizen status does have its problems (20-odd million immigrants entering illegally and having upwards of three children per woman), it is, nevertheless, common sense. A child who grows up in Japan, speaking Japanese, going to Japanese schools, being taught Japanese political stances by the schools, government, and society, and understand mostly only Japanese is, by all means, a Japanese.

Or to use an other analogy which is kind of odd to use here but fits well: if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish, feels like a fish, sounds like a fish, and acts like a fish, it’s a fish.

Of course, granting citizen to the parents is an entirely different matter, but they’ve always been here this long and deporting them would cause unnecessary harm to the child. Japan should take the Taiwan route with dealing with her parents — the status quo.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298851 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298851 I guess the moral is, "get everything in writing"..... I think the government will accept responsibility, in a way, for not having found these people sooner by allowing at least Noriko to remain. Your story reminded me of Jeremmy Clarkson's account of his visit to the US (it's on The Times site, and is hilarious) in its anger at the low-level bureaucrats.... I guess the moral is, “get everything in writing”…..

I think the government will accept responsibility, in a way, for not having found these people sooner by allowing at least Noriko to remain.

Your story reminded me of Jeremmy Clarkson’s account of his visit to the US (it’s on The Times site, and is hilarious) in its anger at the low-level bureaucrats….

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298849 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:37:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298849 Earlier posts on the subject. Earlier posts on the subject.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298847 The Overthinker Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:33:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298847 "anyone who comes to Japan illegally and make a baby" Noriko is not a baby. And even if she was your statement was about the parents and not the child. I do seriously wonder about her language ability though. “anyone who comes to Japan illegally and make a baby”

Noriko is not a baby. And even if she was your statement was about the parents and not the child.

I do seriously wonder about her language ability though.

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]]> By: tokyojesusfist http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298844 tokyojesusfist Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:01:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298844 How exactly is she responsible for her parents coming to Japan and giving birth to her? How exactly is she responsible for her parents coming to Japan and giving birth to her?

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]]> By: weirdo http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/02/11/noriko-calderon-speaks-to-the-international-press/comment-page-1/#comment-298841 weirdo Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:29:56 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=8709#comment-298841 Who said she didn't? Who said she didn’t?

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