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I use Tokyo Mitsubishi UFJ, and it appears that some of their machines (I think it was the moto-UFJ-branch machines) allow you to basically dump in a large amount of change in a tray. I went ahead and did that. I had to extract some “extra” change a few times, and it took 4 or 5 tries, but I did end up with an extra 5000 yen or so in my account.

A little after I arrived in Kyoto, it was a really hot day, and I wanted a drink, but I didn’t have enough coins to use a vending machine, so I had to go into a store and break one of my 10000 yen notes. I actually apologized to the cashier, an old lady who was probably the owner, since I was only buying a drink. But she said “No mind” and happily took it. When I was in Hokkaido, I went to the grocery store with my host family. We only bought some small snacks, but my host mother paid with a 100000 yen note.

On the other hand, two of my friends and I were eating at a Ramen restaurant, we all ordered the exact same thing, and we could all pay with exact change (Why we don’t include tax in the price like Japan does is a mystery to me). Me and one of my friends paid the easiest way we could. But my other friend was looking to unload all his small coins, so he gave me tons of 10 yen coins. I guess totaling it up, we probably had more than twenty coins of something, but when I gave the person behind the register the money, she didn’t bat an eye.

So, different strokes for different folks I guess?

But a believe you are wrong on this one (at least in Tokyo). Perhaps it’s not a law or written rule, however, I’ve been on cabs hundreds of times in Tokyo and I’ve never had a situation where the cab driver didn’t have change. (Except of course that one time)

Also, I was with my girlfriend, a Japanese, and she paid. She didn’t asked beforehand if the cab driver would accepts 10,000yen note.

Who said anything about private individuals? I’m talking about places of business. Have been from the start.

What I can find is this, from the US:
USC 31/5103: “United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.”

Public charges, taxes and dues are not relevant, and I agree with the fact that you must pay taxes etc. in the local currency. That leaves “debts”. Now, if you owe me money and give me USD (in the US), I would say I cannot refuse to accept USD in payment. However, if I say “I will give you this cup in exchange for your shirt” and you counteroffer with a $10 bill, I can refuse as no debt has been incurred. I’ve seen any number of organized swap events, and it has always been clear that money (aka legal tender) is not accepted. You could try to pay with cash, and you’d be told to leave and I seriously doubt there is anything you could do about it.

Actually, come to think of it, I can recall court cases filed over “payment in kind” where one party agreed to do accept some service (like lawn mowing) as payment for something, and the party that agreed to perform the service later reneged and offered cash. I also recall that courts (at least in the US) have generally sided with the plaintiff in that the contract specified that the debtor party agreed to perform a service, and that payment must be in that service (for example, the debtor must pay someone else to mow the plaintiff’s lawn if they cannot do it themselves).

Sorry, but unless you can pull out a law that specifically states private individuals (and shops run by same) must always accept legal tender as payment and cannot refuse it under any circumstances, I’m going to stick with “It ain’t illegal to demand payment in bottle caps”. I’ve seen too many cases where legal tender was refused, and that refusal even legally upheld, to believe otherwise.

I don’t want people to be sorry, I want their stories about the law in their country..

Also, to set the record straight to EVERYONE who reads my post..

there was NEVER any line.. it is a private dormitory with very few students..

I would be more considerate if I would GO to for example Saizeriya etc..

btw I dont need anyone’s sympathy, I just need to hear from you guys..

cheers

Veoh.jp

this is read of the week for me!!

I wonder if the car dealer would say “yametene”

Veoh.jp

Myself I at least have the courtesy for those in line behind me and respect for the cashier, to spread out dumping my lower denomination coins over several transactions. Though I must admit when I was younger I did pay for a bus ride with all pennies just to be rebellious.

I would assume the the law is try to protect both the store owner and the customer. If either party are suspicious about the form payment then they can certainly deny it. Usually small stores don’t accept $50 or $100 bills because of they are afraid of getting fake bills or just maybe they unable to give back a lot of change to customer.

I guess I can understand why it would be a law to limit the amount of coins being accepted. If a person pay by coins and have them roll up, how can the store be certain that the customer has counted the right amount? Or how about if the coins are fake (example $1 or $2 coins here in Canada)?

The case you bring up is exactly what I’m saying is fine – I’m agreeing with you on that point. The issue is whether the product itself can be purchased with local currency, not whether the coupon can be purchased. Obviously there must be some grey area here in the cases of certain promotions and contests.

The point is that the currency of the country in question cannot be refused. For one example, you cannot open a shop in the United States and only accept Turkish Lire. If you operate a business in the United States, you must accept US money if someone wants to pay with it. If you want to accept something else, that’s fine – I’m agreeing with you on that point. But you cannot disallow people from paying in the local currency.

I can understand if there is a large lineup that it would be very frustrating having to count the money, actually the few times I paid in coins most didn’t bother counting it if it looked like the right amount that was stated. If there wasn’t though, I personally think what he did would be considered rude.

If anything this experience has showed, it’s that I think people in Japan aren’t really any more respectful than people of the West, it’s just what constitutes as respect that varies.

You see – most businesses will accept whatever you give them – especially Chevy dealers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7559881.stm

it is very interesting to compare different country rule and culture

it really makes my day when I see 90 over comments in this simple post!

cheers!

Anton.jp

I should imagine this happens in Japan and the US too, but if you take all your lower denominations of currency to your bank or post office, they will exchange them for larger value coins.

Eg: take 600x 1 pence coins, be given 6x 1 Pound coins, or 12x 50 pence coins.

I can’t really think of anything you can buy for anything less than 50p anyway here, other than the odd chocolate bar.

As above, a merchant in Japan only has the legal right to refuse coins when there are more than 20 of the same kind. A merchant would be breaking the law by refusing to accept 19 one yen coins for a 19 yen transaction.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with these laws, they just are.

No, sorry, paper money is too convenient and too engraved in most people’s minds now. I could see going completely cashless before I could see going only to coins. At least going cashless makes things easier for people. And like lemmings, we always go for the easier way.

Now, if he tried to pay his Japanese taxes in Euro, then he would have a problem, as the Euro is not legal tender within Japan. Still, if he gets Euros, and converts them into Yen, and pays his taxes and bills in Yen, what law has been broken?

Then again it would make my day watching the situation you described

This statement would allow Japanese merchants to demand payment in euro. Totally illegal.

I think you mean “any denomination they choose.” Though this is also not totally legal.

Considering cases such as this it is not surprising laws have been introduced in many countries.

It’s not true, Philip. When you ride a cab, you should have small bills and preferably coins. Perhaps the cab driver that you encountered did not want to spend his time trying to take the fare from you. He would avoid foreigners after he let you go.

If it were a Japanese costumer, he/she would have asked the driver whether he would be able to accept 10,000-yen bill before he/she got into the cab.

and the person at the register is my dorm manager which happen to be my friend and drinking buddy

I’d bet these laws are there to prevent con men and gangsters from running extortion rackets by sending a bunch of thugs to go shopping with pennies and effectively shut down a store completely legally (until the manager pays them to go away) were it not for these laws.

A Japanese TV show did a dramatization of a yakuza gang that shut down a bank by having a bunch of thugs repeatedly open savings accounts with 1 yen, get back in line, then close the accounts, get back in line, then reopen accounts, all day keeping the bank staff busy futilely stamping things and making bankbooks etc, while real customers had to wait for them, and the managers’ slavish devotion to regulations meant they could keep doing it all day, every day, for weeks.

That said, these laws should really only be enforced on customers who are just being assholes, or just being stupid.

I would love it if this kind of rule also helped customers, and vending machines were not permitted to give back more than 4 10 yen coins in change, or WERE required to at least take 5 yen coins.

How many countries have TWO useless small coin denominations like Japan?

A well, refusal to take people’s money is not the only example of businesses not actually wanting to do business. The tram system in Melbourne, for example, doesn’t accept notes on it’s onboard ticket machines, which as I see it is promoting fare-evasion.

But for real—when I was working in a small, one store business, I loved people paying with change. We were always running out due to all the people paying with notes all the time. If someone came by in the morning with a $50 bill it would make quite a dent in our change stores, and we’d have to turn people away, or give them discounts to make up for it.

I wonder if you could just get some cheap clear plastic tubes made with the diameter of each of the coins, and marked for easy counting. Just make it clear to the customer to sort the denominations before they get to the counter (I often wonder why wallets haven’t adapted to accommodate this, actually), and the transaction could proceed pretty smoothly…