Comments on: Daryl Hannah joins Sea Shepherd’s pirate ship http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/ Japan News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:55:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: oug http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-273812 oug Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:06:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-273812 They do an amazing job, save life. Watch a video of what happens to these beautiful creatures that we have no right to kill or butcher. Every person that has ever graced a Sea Sheppherd ship is a selfless hero that cares more for others than themselves...... They do an amazing job, save life.

Watch a video of what happens to these beautiful creatures that we have no right to kill or butcher.
Every person that has ever graced a Sea Sheppherd ship is a selfless hero that cares more for others than themselves……

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-273050 LB Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:52:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-273050 "Thats the kind of attitude that kills this kind of site." If any attitude is "killing this site", it is the attitude that says it is OK to make blanket statements about Japan and the Japanese based on nothing but one's personal ignorance. Posters who wear that ignorance proudly (aka "trolls") are the problem around here, not the people who point out the fallacy and ignorance of their drivel. “Thats the kind of attitude that kills this kind of site.”
If any attitude is “killing this site”, it is the attitude that says it is OK to make blanket statements about Japan and the Japanese based on nothing but one’s personal ignorance. Posters who wear that ignorance proudly (aka “trolls”) are the problem around here, not the people who point out the fallacy and ignorance of their drivel.

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]]> By: Dan http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272878 Dan Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:08:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272878 Definition of terrorism is: "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." So you don't need to kill a person to be a terrorist. Killing people makes you a murder and a terrorist. From what I have read about these people they fit the definition of terrorism. If you want the whaling to end, you need to stop the demand for it. Everything is tied up in money, if you can't make a profit from whaling then people will stop whaling. I know "simple to say, but.." Definition of terrorism is:

“The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”

So you don’t need to kill a person to be a terrorist. Killing people makes you a murder and a terrorist. From what I have read about these people they fit the definition of terrorism. If you want the whaling to end, you need to stop the demand for it. Everything is tied up in money, if you can’t make a profit from whaling then people will stop whaling. I know “simple to say, but..”

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]]> By: Grit http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272804 Grit Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:34:58 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272804 ...and it is not only desperate Hollywood former stars, but also the Australian government (and Kiwi government too?) is using this anti-whaling propaganda to save the popularity of their failed party. Oh well, once my professor has said that everything in life involves politics, and maybe he was right... Is there any wonder that Japanese see this anti-whaling arguments with susiocions? Or is this the SS's way of alienating Japanese and letting them whaling, so as to keep attracting money to the SS? …and it is not only desperate Hollywood former stars, but also the Australian government (and Kiwi government too?) is using this anti-whaling propaganda to save the popularity of their failed party. Oh well, once my professor has said that everything in life involves politics, and maybe he was right…
Is there any wonder that Japanese see this anti-whaling arguments with susiocions? Or is this the SS’s way of alienating Japanese and letting them whaling, so as to keep attracting money to the SS?

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]]> By: Rated-R http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272769 Rated-R Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:28:59 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272769 Daryl Hannah and Doctor Zaius??!! They can just F off, cause I haven't been able to find any good Whale Sashimi for like 3 years! I'm so hungry I could eat a whale! Daryl Hannah and Doctor Zaius??!! They can just F off, cause I haven’t been able to find any good Whale Sashimi for like 3 years! I’m so hungry I could eat a whale!

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272734 James Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:58:01 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272734 True, Japan has found better sources of food, and there isn't a strong traditional nationwide tradition of eating whale meat that goes back for centuries, but I think food carries more cultural value in peoples' minds than oil. Some of the Japanese who grew up eating whale meat developed a taste for it and there's a certain emotional attachment to it. Some of them might want their kids or grandchildren to share their love for a certain seafood, or at least be able to eat whale meat at certain niche restaurants. They don't choose what food they eat based on how efficient it is to harvest, they just eat it because they want to. In the west, whale oil was used for lighting and machine lubrication, and when superior alternatives became available whale oil was replaced. A few old folks might have had a fondness for whale oil lamps, but there wasn't much of a case for keeping them around when cheaper and brighter electric/natural gas lamps became available. Businesses saw cheaper and more efficient energy sources, so the whaling industry pretty much died in those countries. My main point was that you can't really compare hunting animals for food with hunting them for the use of their fat as an energy source. The argument of energy sources to use usually has a lot to do with a rational breakdown of cost/efficiency, but when arguing over what food to eat it becomes more about personal tastes and emotional attachments. True, Japan has found better sources of food, and there isn’t a strong traditional nationwide tradition of eating whale meat that goes back for centuries, but I think food carries more cultural value in peoples’ minds than oil.

Some of the Japanese who grew up eating whale meat developed a taste for it and there’s a certain emotional attachment to it. Some of them might want their kids or grandchildren to share their love for a certain seafood, or at least be able to eat whale meat at certain niche restaurants. They don’t choose what food they eat based on how efficient it is to harvest, they just eat it because they want to.

In the west, whale oil was used for lighting and machine lubrication, and when superior alternatives became available whale oil was replaced. A few old folks might have had a fondness for whale oil lamps, but there wasn’t much of a case for keeping them around when cheaper and brighter electric/natural gas lamps became available. Businesses saw cheaper and more efficient energy sources, so the whaling industry pretty much died in those countries.

My main point was that you can’t really compare hunting animals for food with hunting them for the use of their fat as an energy source. The argument of energy sources to use usually has a lot to do with a rational breakdown of cost/efficiency, but when arguing over what food to eat it becomes more about personal tastes and emotional attachments.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272729 The Overthinker Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:27:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272729 While I agree that actually eating the meat is more efficient, I don't agree with this statement: <blockquote> Our whaling tradition was one of harvesting oil. We gave up that tradition because we found better sources of energy. You really can’t compare it with Japan’s culture of actually eating whale meat. </blockquote> After all, we can argue that Japan has found better sources of food. The argument from efficiency is not that powerful. And how popular must must something be before we can defend it as being part of the "culture"? How significant? And does culture really mean anything other than "what people do"? The use of the word "culture" here always seems to imply an ancient and venerable tradition akin to Noh or the tea ceremony. All it means though is that some people did it at varying degrees at some times. We cannot defend something simply on the basis of it being "culture" with the assumption that that makes it off limits. Nor are the whaling forces in Japan really half as concerned about abstract notions of culture as they are about local livelihoods in places like Shimonoseki. And, for the moment, they know that what they are doing is perfectly legal so are continuing to do it. I don't know how "readily available" whale meat is in supermarkets. I never see it at my local Jusco, though I have spotted "whale bacon" (blubber) there before. Certainly it is nothing in comparison with fish, pork, chicken, or beef. While I agree that actually eating the meat is more efficient, I don’t agree with this statement:

Our whaling tradition was one of harvesting oil. We gave up that tradition because we found better sources of energy. You really can’t compare it with Japan’s culture of actually eating whale meat.

After all, we can argue that Japan has found better sources of food. The argument from efficiency is not that powerful.

And how popular must must something be before we can defend it as being part of the “culture”? How significant? And does culture really mean anything other than “what people do”? The use of the word “culture” here always seems to imply an ancient and venerable tradition akin to Noh or the tea ceremony. All it means though is that some people did it at varying degrees at some times. We cannot defend something simply on the basis of it being “culture” with the assumption that that makes it off limits. Nor are the whaling forces in Japan really half as concerned about abstract notions of culture as they are about local livelihoods in places like Shimonoseki. And, for the moment, they know that what they are doing is perfectly legal so are continuing to do it.

I don’t know how “readily available” whale meat is in supermarkets. I never see it at my local Jusco, though I have spotted “whale bacon” (blubber) there before. Certainly it is nothing in comparison with fish, pork, chicken, or beef.

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272715 Kevin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:48:23 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272715 I think this picture explains what Santa Claus does from December to December every year. :) He better watch out, he better not cry once his sleigh is buttered. I think this picture explains what Santa Claus does from December to December every year. :)

He better watch out, he better not cry once his sleigh is buttered.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272713 James Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:25:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272713 Jason: <blockquote>As far as I can understand, the Japanese government have to keep telling people that whale is a Japanese Tradition, and evil foreigners want them to stop because they dont understand. Domestically, the Japanese government presents itself as protecting japanese culture from stupid foreigners on this issue.</blockquote> Thanks to groups like Sea Shepherd, they can continue to claim this. Seeing foreign groups use violence and intimidation to force their cultural views about what animals should not be used for food only makes a backlash. Sea Shepherd is doing a truly great job at helping build support for the whalers in Japan. <blockquote>Since the Japanese had no factory ships before the Meiji era, I think it is OK if they row out and kill a whale with there bare hands in the ‘traditional’ way, but not until we sold them whaling ships did they go to the Antartic to hunt. </blockquote> Japan does its whaling in the antarctic because whale populations in that area are at a level that can support a very limited hunt. Centuries of whaling from non-Japanese ships wiped out much of the whale populations in Japanese costal waters. <blockquote>If we can give up our whaling ‘tradition’, so can they.</blockquote> Our whaling tradition was one of harvesting oil. We gave up that tradition because we found better sources of energy. You really can't compare it with Japan's culture of actually eating whale meat. <blockquote>the Japanese news never mentions that in most countries Japanese whaling is seen as vile.</blockquote> I've seen plenty of media reports that mention how public opinion in Europe/North America/Australia/New Zealand is against whaling. It would be dishonest for them to report that "most countries" think Japanese whaling is vile, because most countries don't seem to care much either way. I agree with you about the popularity of whale meat in Japan. Most people don't care for it, and actual consumption is very low. As this is the case, there is really no reason to worry much about Japan's whaling program. At its current level it kills an insignificantly small number of whales, and there is no domestic demand that would call for a huge increase in their quotas. Jason:

As far as I can understand, the Japanese government have to keep telling people that whale is a Japanese Tradition, and evil foreigners want them to stop because they dont understand. Domestically, the Japanese government presents itself as protecting japanese culture from stupid foreigners on this issue.

Thanks to groups like Sea Shepherd, they can continue to claim this. Seeing foreign groups use violence and intimidation to force their cultural views about what animals should not be used for food only makes a backlash. Sea Shepherd is doing a truly great job at helping build support for the whalers in Japan.

Since the Japanese had no factory ships before the Meiji era, I think it is OK if they row out and kill a whale with there bare hands in the ‘traditional’ way, but not until we sold them whaling ships did they go to the Antartic to hunt.

Japan does its whaling in the antarctic because whale populations in that area are at a level that can support a very limited hunt. Centuries of whaling from non-Japanese ships wiped out much of the whale populations in Japanese costal waters.

If we can give up our whaling ‘tradition’, so can they.

Our whaling tradition was one of harvesting oil. We gave up that tradition because we found better sources of energy. You really can’t compare it with Japan’s culture of actually eating whale meat.

the Japanese news never mentions that in most countries Japanese whaling is seen as vile.

I’ve seen plenty of media reports that mention how public opinion in Europe/North America/Australia/New Zealand is against whaling.

It would be dishonest for them to report that “most countries” think Japanese whaling is vile, because most countries don’t seem to care much either way.

I agree with you about the popularity of whale meat in Japan. Most people don’t care for it, and actual consumption is very low. As this is the case, there is really no reason to worry much about Japan’s whaling program. At its current level it kills an insignificantly small number of whales, and there is no domestic demand that would call for a huge increase in their quotas.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272712 LB Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:25:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272712 "Every Japanese person I know doesnt see the point in whaling." Then you obviously don't know many Japanese... "I know one whale meat restaurant in Kobe, but have never seen any customers going in or out." Well that certainly is an accurate sampling of the industry! One restaurant! OK, statistician, then why is whale meat always readily available in the supermarkets? Today? Why are there whale meat restaurants in pretty much every major city (and a lot of smaller ones)? If no-one is eating the stuff, then the supermarkets would be losing money and those restaurants would be out of business. Simple economics (hopefuly you are better in that field?). "As far as I can understand" Your understanding is lacking, apparently. "I have never even met a Japanese person who knew that whale is illegal in the UK" See point number one at the top of this post again... "and the Japanese news never mentions that in most countries Japanese whaling is seen as vile." Ah, this is getting back to point four above (about your understanding), as if you were actually watching the news and comprehending what they were saying, you would know that this point is brought up <i>every time reaction to Japan's whaling is discussed</i>. Which was quite frequently (as in every night) the last time they were down south, thanks to the escapades of Bulletproof Watson. "If we can give up our whaling ‘tradition’, so can they." Except American and European whaling (especially American) was about ambergris, oil and baleen. Not about food. Therein lies a difference. “Every Japanese person I know doesnt see the point in whaling.”
Then you obviously don’t know many Japanese…

“I know one whale meat restaurant in Kobe, but have never seen any customers going in or out.”
Well that certainly is an accurate sampling of the industry! One restaurant! OK, statistician, then why is whale meat always readily available in the supermarkets? Today? Why are there whale meat restaurants in pretty much every major city (and a lot of smaller ones)? If no-one is eating the stuff, then the supermarkets would be losing money and those restaurants would be out of business. Simple economics (hopefuly you are better in that field?).

“As far as I can understand”
Your understanding is lacking, apparently.

“I have never even met a Japanese person who knew that whale is illegal in the UK”
See point number one at the top of this post again…

“and the Japanese news never mentions that in most countries Japanese whaling is seen as vile.”
Ah, this is getting back to point four above (about your understanding), as if you were actually watching the news and comprehending what they were saying, you would know that this point is brought up every time reaction to Japan’s whaling is discussed. Which was quite frequently (as in every night) the last time they were down south, thanks to the escapades of Bulletproof Watson.

“If we can give up our whaling ‘tradition’, so can they.”
Except American and European whaling (especially American) was about ambergris, oil and baleen. Not about food. Therein lies a difference.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272678 The Overthinker Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:56:05 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272678 Which opens up the question, even assuming your analogy is correct, to what degree were Suffragettes terrorists? Which opens up the question, even assuming your analogy is correct, to what degree were Suffragettes terrorists?

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]]> By: NPC http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272670 NPC Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:20:37 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272670 We've had the whaling argument before... but even with my stance on it I don't approve of Sea Sheperd's tactics of protest. Not one bit. It's damaging to the environment and obviously not pacifistic. We’ve had the whaling argument before… but even with my stance on it I don’t approve of Sea Sheperd’s tactics of protest. Not one bit. It’s damaging to the environment and obviously not pacifistic.

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]]> By: DC http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272669 DC Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:18:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272669 >Though I’m not sure how many people one needs to kill in order to earn the title by your book. That's a pretty cheap shot, but fairly typical in these bland, conformist times. Whatever one may think of them, SS are no more terrorists than the Suffragettes were. >Though I’m not sure how many people one needs to kill in order to earn the title by your book.

That’s a pretty cheap shot, but fairly typical in these bland, conformist times.

Whatever one may think of them, SS are no more terrorists than the Suffragettes were.

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]]> By: Blacknimbus http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272634 Blacknimbus Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:40:02 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272634 She's crackers...should fit in well with a bunch of self-righteous criminals. BTW, anyone been to Taruichi in Shinjuku? I hear the whale sashimi is pretty good... She’s crackers…should fit in well with a bunch of self-righteous criminals.

BTW, anyone been to Taruichi in Shinjuku? I hear the whale sashimi is pretty good…

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]]> By: helical http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272624 helical Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:27:34 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272624 Do, as in board the whaling ships buccaneer style and then suddenly cry out about being taken captive? Yeah, I guess that doesn't quite qualify as fitting the image of menacing gun-toting "terrorists". Though I'm not sure how many people one needs to kill in order to earn the title by your book. Oh wait, they were planning to ram other ships with their "can opener" attachment on their ship ... hmm ... Do, as in board the whaling ships buccaneer style and then suddenly cry out about being taken captive? Yeah, I guess that doesn’t quite qualify as fitting the image of menacing gun-toting “terrorists”. Though I’m not sure how many people one needs to kill in order to earn the title by your book.

Oh wait, they were planning to ram other ships with their “can opener” attachment on their ship … hmm …

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]]> By: DC http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272592 DC Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:30:57 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272592 Seeing all you lot puffing up with self-righteous indignation is one of the more amusing aspects of the whole Sea Shepherd saga. I think they'll go down in history as one of the last protest groups who were actually brave and single-minded enough to go and *do* something, before the entire world descended into ultra-pc, wimpy serf-like submission to authority. And I'll be watching for people calling them 'terrorists' for throwing butter; a visit to Mumbai would show you what a real terrorist does. Seeing all you lot puffing up with self-righteous indignation is one of the more amusing aspects of the whole Sea Shepherd saga.

I think they’ll go down in history as one of the last protest groups who were actually brave and single-minded enough to go and *do* something, before the entire world descended into ultra-pc, wimpy serf-like submission to authority.

And I’ll be watching for people calling them ‘terrorists’ for throwing butter; a visit to Mumbai would show you what a real terrorist does.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272491 LB Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:33:45 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272491 Then let her swim with the whales.... Then let her swim with the whales….

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]]> By: Randwulf http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272464 Randwulf Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:08:09 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272464 She's doing it all wrong if she's trying to garner attention. She's supposed to go on a coke and alcohol fuelled rampage, smash up some cars, brandish a gun, get arrested and have a horrible mug shot taken of her, go to court-ordered rehab and come out with a new book about her experience and flog it on Letterman or Oprah! She’s doing it all wrong if she’s trying to garner attention. She’s supposed to go on a coke and alcohol fuelled rampage, smash up some cars, brandish a gun, get arrested and have a horrible mug shot taken of her, go to court-ordered rehab and come out with a new book about her experience and flog it on Letterman or Oprah!

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]]> By: Bruce Smith http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272347 Bruce Smith Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:09:44 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272347 It's well known that Daryl Hannah is really a mermaid. It’s well known that Daryl Hannah is really a mermaid.

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]]> By: whatthe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272330 whatthe Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:57:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272330 I wish animal planet would pull the plug on this moron. Using violence is not going to stop the whalers. I'm not for or against the whalers. If this is their means to make a living and feed their families, then so be it. I wish animal planet would pull the plug on this moron. Using violence is not going to stop the whalers. I’m not for or against the whalers. If this is their means to make a living and feed their families, then so be it.

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]]> By: 死神 http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/12/05/daryl-hannah-joins-sea-shepherds-pirate-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-272328 死神 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:56:20 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7632#comment-272328 Its funny how one can notice if someone famous is starting to lose popularity, how they'll do anythong to get some attention. But the thing that disgusts me is the name of the boat. I personally think steve would have been one of the lasts persons to use this methods (throwing acid for example) to change the concience of this world. and also if the 日本人　want to fish whales, its their problem. Its funny how one can notice if someone famous is starting to lose popularity, how they’ll do anythong to get some attention. But the thing that disgusts me is the name of the boat. I personally think steve would have been one of the lasts persons to use this methods (throwing acid for example) to change the concience of this world. and also if the 日本人　want to fish whales, its their problem.

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