Comments on: Noriko Calderon allowed to stay in Japan (for now) http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/ Japan News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:56:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Justin Leach » New guidelines for special residency permits http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-351483 Justin Leach » New guidelines for special residency permits Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:30:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-351483 [...] new rules are quite clearly influenced by the case of Noriko Calderon, which focused a lot of negative attention on the government’s lack of clear policies about [...] [...] new rules are quite clearly influenced by the case of Noriko Calderon, which focused a lot of negative attention on the government’s lack of clear policies about [...]

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]]> By: New guidelines for special residency permits | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-336104 New guidelines for special residency permits | Japan Probe Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-336104 [...] new rules are quite clearly influenced by the case of Noriko Calderon, which focused a lot of negative attention on the government’s lack of clear policies about [...] [...] new rules are quite clearly influenced by the case of Noriko Calderon, which focused a lot of negative attention on the government’s lack of clear policies about [...]

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-315017 Bob Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:54:03 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-315017 Deporting someone as punishment for breaking the law is a fair argument in cases like this, but one thing no-one has mentioned is the business(es) that profited from hiring these illegal workers. Why are they not being punished? It's unfair to only punish the workers. When I worked in Japan I always had to show documentation to prove I was legally required to work. Due to not living in Japan I don't have access to the Japanese mass media but it seems this element has not been considered in the public debate.. Deporting someone as punishment for breaking the law is a fair argument in cases like this, but one thing no-one has mentioned is the business(es)
that profited from hiring these illegal workers. Why are they not being punished? It’s unfair to only punish the workers. When I worked in Japan I always had to show documentation to prove I was legally required to work. Due to not living in Japan I don’t have access to the Japanese mass media but it seems this element has not been considered in the public debate..

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]]> By: linkfeedr » Blog Archive » Arlan Calderon speaks to the press - RSS Indexer (beta) http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-314931 linkfeedr » Blog Archive » Arlan Calderon speaks to the press - RSS Indexer (beta) Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:33:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-314931 [...] Philippine Star has interviewed Arlan Calderon, father of Noriko Calderon. The interview fills in a few details about Noriko’s situation that were not included in [...] [...] Philippine Star has interviewed Arlan Calderon, father of Noriko Calderon. The interview fills in a few details about Noriko’s situation that were not included in [...]

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]]> By: Arlan Calderon speaks to the press | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-314927 Arlan Calderon speaks to the press | Japan Probe Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:15:28 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-314927 [...] Philippine Star has interviewed Arlan Calderon, father of Noriko Calderon. The interview fills in a few details about Noriko’s situation that were not included in [...] [...] Philippine Star has interviewed Arlan Calderon, father of Noriko Calderon. The interview fills in a few details about Noriko’s situation that were not included in [...]

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]]> By: Makoto Shimizu http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-314759 Makoto Shimizu Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:26:41 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-314759 The earth from seem from the space has no borders. Man has created borders, barbed wired fences, walls, prejudice. May God have mercy on you and bless you with a heart of flesh. Japan has been blessed as a country and can be a blessed place for people from all parts of the world, and be an example of welcoming country, human country - Japan can be a World Leader by giving good examples of humanity. May God bless Japan as a generous and merciful country, the world is in need of solidarity and genuine kindness. The earth from seem from the space has no borders. Man has created borders, barbed wired fences, walls, prejudice. May God have mercy on you and bless you with a heart of flesh. Japan has been blessed as a country and can be a blessed place for people from all parts of the world, and be an example of welcoming country, human country – Japan can be a World Leader by giving good examples of humanity. May God bless Japan as a generous and merciful country, the world is in need of solidarity and genuine kindness.

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]]> By: Group protests against media treatment of foreign criminals | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-313908 Group protests against media treatment of foreign criminals | Japan Probe Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:05:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-313908 [...] visa overstayers, and are not happy with the sympathetic coverage the Japanese media gave to the Calderon family. The Calderon family has lived in Warabi for many years, and its citizens and city government [...] [...] visa overstayers, and are not happy with the sympathetic coverage the Japanese media gave to the Calderon family. The Calderon family has lived in Warabi for many years, and its citizens and city government [...]

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]]> By: Noriko Calderon begins second year of junior high | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-313161 Noriko Calderon begins second year of junior high | Japan Probe Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:00:17 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-313161 [...] Noriko Calderon began her second year of junior high today. It will be her first year of school since the Japanese government granted her a special residency permit. Her parents, who will soon be deported, were there to see her off: Her father, Arlan, 36, said it was good that his daughter would be able to continue to study in Japan. [...] [...] Noriko Calderon began her second year of junior high today. It will be her first year of school since the Japanese government granted her a special residency permit. Her parents, who will soon be deported, were there to see her off: Her father, Arlan, 36, said it was good that his daughter would be able to continue to study in Japan. [...]

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]]> By: Justin Leach » Noriko Calderon to stay in Japan http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-310347 Justin Leach » Noriko Calderon to stay in Japan Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:00:38 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-310347 [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported in April, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan (and an English language article about the case has chosen to report the fact that she had relatives in Japan who can take care of her): The justice ministry, meanwhile, revealed Friday that it intended to grant Noriko, who only speaks Japanese and attends a junior high school in Warabi, Saitama Prefecture, special permission for residence later this month so she can continue to go to school in Japan. [...] [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported in April, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan (and an English language article about the case has chosen to report the fact that she had relatives in Japan who can take care of her): The justice ministry, meanwhile, revealed Friday that it intended to grant Noriko, who only speaks Japanese and attends a junior high school in Warabi, Saitama Prefecture, special permission for residence later this month so she can continue to go to school in Japan. [...]

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]]> By: Japan Ichiban! Number One! » Blog Archive » Parents to be deported http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-308283 Japan Ichiban! Number One! » Blog Archive » Parents to be deported Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:52:13 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-308283 [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported next month, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan. Relatives in Japan will look after her. The parents entered Japan illegally on false passports over 17 years ago.  Another option would have been  to prosecute the parents and give them a penalty. (fine or prison). However that would set a precedent for other illegal immigrants to stay as well. [...] [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported next month, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan. Relatives in Japan will look after her. The parents entered Japan illegally on false passports over 17 years ago.  Another option would have been  to prosecute the parents and give them a penalty. (fine or prison). However that would set a precedent for other illegal immigrants to stay as well. [...]

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]]> By: Noriko Calderon to stay in Japan | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-308202 Noriko Calderon to stay in Japan | Japan Probe Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:39:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-308202 [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported in April, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan (and an English language article about the case has chosen to report the fact that she had relatives in Japan who can take care of her): The justice ministry, meanwhile, revealed Friday that it intended to grant Noriko, who only speaks Japanese and attends a junior high school in Warabi, Saitama Prefecture, special permission for residence later this month so she can continue to go to school in Japan. [...] [...] Noriko Calderon’s parents, who will be deported in April, have chosen to leave their daughter behind in Japan (and an English language article about the case has chosen to report the fact that she had relatives in Japan who can take care of her): The justice ministry, meanwhile, revealed Friday that it intended to grant Noriko, who only speaks Japanese and attends a junior high school in Warabi, Saitama Prefecture, special permission for residence later this month so she can continue to go to school in Japan. [...]

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]]> By: City government voices support for illegal immigrant family | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-304828 City government voices support for illegal immigrant family | Japan Probe Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:52:25 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-304828 [...] update in the story of Noriko Calderon, a child born in Japan to illegal immigrants from the Philippines: The city council of Warabi, [...] [...] update in the story of Noriko Calderon, a child born in Japan to illegal immigrants from the Philippines: The city council of Warabi, [...]

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]]> By: Noriko Calderon’s parents to be deported | Japan Probe http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-303542 Noriko Calderon’s parents to be deported | Japan Probe Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:36:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-303542 [...] update on the case of Noriko Calderon: The Japanese government ruled today that Arlan and Sarah Calderon, Filipinos who illegally [...] [...] update on the case of Noriko Calderon: The Japanese government ruled today that Arlan and Sarah Calderon, Filipinos who illegally [...]

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]]> By: Filipino Girl Born and Raised in Japan Faces Deportation « Kitsune’s Thoughts http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-285966 Filipino Girl Born and Raised in Japan Faces Deportation « Kitsune’s Thoughts Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:31:24 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-285966 [...] (Japan Times) Filipino girl gets extension of stay, but yet to gain residence permit (Japan Today) Noriko Calderon allowed to stay in Japan (for now) (Japan [...] [...] (Japan Times) Filipino girl gets extension of stay, but yet to gain residence permit (Japan Today) Noriko Calderon allowed to stay in Japan (for now) (Japan [...]

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-270424 The Overthinker Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:43:34 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-270424 How is this a warning? How is this a warning?

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]]> By: Bruce Smith http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-270361 Bruce Smith Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:35:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-270361 As I think I said on a related thread, Japan needs young people. I hope Noriko will have a happy and successful life in Japan. But at the same time I cannot help feeling angry at her parents. They broke the law and used her as a pawn. They should be deported. As I think I said on a related thread, Japan needs young people. I hope Noriko will have a happy and successful life in Japan.

But at the same time I cannot help feeling angry at her parents. They broke the law and used her as a pawn. They should be deported.

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]]> By: Super Magnet http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269799 Super Magnet Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:41:14 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269799 I feel as if I have a unique outlook on this issue, both as a product of illegal immigration and having it happen so close to me. I've seen both the good and bad parts of it. First, I am a product of illegal immigration. My great-grandfather stowed away on a ship from Dublin, Ireland to New York in 1900. He was only 6 at the time. From New York he traveled to Utah and lived there with family until he was able to take the Naturalization Test. He did so at the very first opportunity he could. After that he worked until he had enough to bring his mother here. She came here through legal immigration. Granted, my great-grandfather was an illegal when he came here. But, he didn't try to take the easy way out through Jus soli or Jus sanguinis (Although he did marry an American, that was well after he already had American citizenship). Secondly, I've seen the bad side of Illegal immigration. My neighbors are illegal immigrants. I've lived in this house for 14 years now and my neighbors have lived next door for 12. When they first moved in they consisted of a mother, father, 2 boys, and 2 girls. I went to school with one of the boys and that is where I learned that he and his family all had crossed the border illegally. They had bought the house outright by having their cousins lend them the money (no going through banks and loans) and were going to repay them by working in the fields. During the summer the entire family worked the fields and during the rest of the year they worked doing odd jobs. After a year the parents had another child. Eventually as the children grew up and turned 18, they each in turn went back to Mexico and brought back a wife/husband. Almost all the time their partner/themselves were pregnant by the time the returned. Each one had an "anchor baby" here not only ensuring that they got to stay here but that their wife/husband would too. And so despite being here far longer than the Naturalization Test requires they all took the far simpler route. None of them left the home afterward (15 people in total). Recently they purchased a farm on the outskirts of our town and have divided the people living here into each of the houses. The mother and father and their child and the younger girls and their spouses/children now live there while the older boys and their families live next to me. When such things happen here I can only hope that it serves as a warning to other countries not to allow Jus soli. I feel as if I have a unique outlook on this issue, both as a product of illegal immigration and having it happen so close to me. I’ve seen both the good and bad parts of it.

First, I am a product of illegal immigration. My great-grandfather stowed away on a ship from Dublin, Ireland to New York in 1900. He was only 6 at the time. From New York he traveled to Utah and lived there with family until he was able to take the Naturalization Test. He did so at the very first opportunity he could. After that he worked until he had enough to bring his mother here. She came here through legal immigration. Granted, my great-grandfather was an illegal when he came here. But, he didn’t try to take the easy way out through Jus soli or Jus sanguinis (Although he did marry an American, that was well after he already had American citizenship).

Secondly, I’ve seen the bad side of Illegal immigration. My neighbors are illegal immigrants. I’ve lived in this house for 14 years now and my neighbors have lived next door for 12. When they first moved in they consisted of a mother, father, 2 boys, and 2 girls. I went to school with one of the boys and that is where I learned that he and his family all had crossed the border illegally. They had bought the house outright by having their cousins lend them the money (no going through banks and loans) and were going to repay them by working in the fields. During the summer the entire family worked the fields and during the rest of the year they worked doing odd jobs. After a year the parents had another child. Eventually as the children grew up and turned 18, they each in turn went back to Mexico and brought back a wife/husband. Almost all the time their partner/themselves were pregnant by the time the returned. Each one had an “anchor baby” here not only ensuring that they got to stay here but that their wife/husband would too. And so despite being here far longer than the Naturalization Test requires they all took the far simpler route. None of them left the home afterward (15 people in total). Recently they purchased a farm on the outskirts of our town and have divided the people living here into each of the houses. The mother and father and their child and the younger girls and their spouses/children now live there while the older boys and their families live next to me.

When such things happen here I can only hope that it serves as a warning to other countries not to allow Jus soli.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269784 The Overthinker Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:47:47 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269784 Come to think of it, North Korean media is very quiet on human rights abuses in North Korea.... Come to think of it, North Korean media is very quiet on human rights abuses in North Korea….

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]]> By: helical http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269775 helical Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:47:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269775 <blockquote>But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they’re being mistreated.</blockquote> There's actually a name for it. <blockquote>Moynihan's law — "The amount of violations of human rights in a country is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints about human rights violations heard from there. The greater the number of complaints being aired, the better protected are human rights in that country." Coined by Daniel Patrick Moynihan (1927–2003). </blockquote> from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eponymous_laws#L.E2.80.93M" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia.</a>

But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they’re being mistreated.

There’s actually a name for it.

Moynihan’s law — “The amount of violations of human rights in a country is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints about human rights violations heard from there. The greater the number of complaints being aired, the better protected are human rights in that country.” Coined by Daniel Patrick Moynihan (1927–2003).

from Wikipedia.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269583 ponta Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:32:36 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269583 Actually, I agree. It is just that the focus is different. You are saying that those born on the land is legally protected in a soli juli state. I agree. I am saying even in a country like that children legally protected have to go through tragic separations　and children born moved in early age will be treated just as those in a jus sanguinis state <blockquote>"He told me to tell my mom he loves her," Lopez, 18, said. "I tried to hug him but they didn't let me. They said he's not allowed to touch me.・・・・・Some are returning to a country they barely know, others are already planning covert border crossings to return to families here. Lopez said his brother, Sergio Caballero, 23, hasn't lived in Mexico since he was a toddler. His parents came to the U.S. about 20 years ago on a tourist visa（June 27, 2008・Chicagotribune）</blockquote> <blockquote>Yesenia Rangel, 12, looked out her window on a Friday morning in February and saw several officers with the letters "ICE" on their sleeves. Yesenia immediately called her neighbors to warn them that immigration officers were outside their Compton apartment building. Then she watched in tears as officers handcuffed her father and took him away.・・・・According to the report, about 5 million children in the U.S. have an undocumented parent and two-thirds of those children are U.S. citizens. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children8-2008jun08,0,24156.story?page=1 </blockquote> Actually, I agree. It is just that the focus is different.
You are saying that those born on the land is legally protected in a soli juli state. I agree.
I am saying even in a country like that children legally protected have to go through tragic separations　and children born moved in early age will be treated just as those in a jus sanguinis state

“He told me to tell my mom he loves her,” Lopez, 18, said. “I tried to hug him but they didn’t let me. They said he’s not allowed to touch me.・・・・・Some are returning to a country they barely know, others are already planning covert border crossings to return to families here.

Lopez said his brother, Sergio Caballero, 23, hasn’t lived in Mexico since he was a toddler. His parents came to the U.S. about 20 years ago on a tourist visa（June 27, 2008・Chicagotribune）

Yesenia Rangel, 12, looked out her window on a Friday morning in February and saw several officers with the letters “ICE” on their sleeves.

Yesenia immediately called her neighbors to warn them that immigration officers were outside their Compton apartment building. Then she watched in tears as officers handcuffed her father and took him away.・・・・According to the report, about 5 million children in the U.S. have an undocumented parent and two-thirds of those children are U.S. citizens.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children8-2008jun08,0,24156.story?page=1

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]]> By: 1.05: Rants & Raves | Telecoms http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269567 1.05: Rants & Raves | Telecoms Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:14:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269567 [...] of interest Japanese GovernmentMcGill Global AIDS Coalition » Blog Archive » UNICEF, Japanese ...Noriko Calderon allowed to stay in Japan (for now) | Japan ProbeJapan missing the bus on expanding ties with India « AMPONTANJapanese among dead in Mumbai [...] [...] of interest Japanese GovernmentMcGill Global AIDS Coalition » Blog Archive » UNICEF, Japanese …Noriko Calderon allowed to stay in Japan (for now) | Japan ProbeJapan missing the bus on expanding ties with India « AMPONTANJapanese among dead in Mumbai [...]

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269565 The Overthinker Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:13:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269565 The social or personal problems they face may be similar, but their legal situation is totally different. Jus soli means if you were born there you can stay there. In this case, jus soli *would* solve the problem. Noriko was born in Japan. The social or personal problems they face may be similar, but their legal situation is totally different. Jus soli means if you were born there you can stay there. In this case, jus soli *would* solve the problem. Noriko was born in Japan.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269556 ponta Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:38:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269556 Right, he was not born there but there are similar problems in a country with jus soli. The situation of those moved in very early time of life are about the same as that of those who were born there,imo. And there are similar problems for them, soli juli or not. Right, he was not born there but there are similar problems in a country with jus soli.
The situation of those moved in very early time of life are about the same as that of those who were born there,imo. And there are similar problems for them, soli juli or not.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269551 The Overthinker Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:22:11 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269551 Ponta, that is not jus soli he was not born there. Moved at age 1 or whatever, but not born there. Ponta, that is not jus soli he was not born there. Moved at age 1 or whatever, but not born there.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269544 ponta Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:55:12 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269544 Jus soli won't solve the problem. As I showed on another thread, similar problems arise. Canada <blockquote>If I was to go back to Bangladesh, it would be completely devastating for me. I don't know how to read or write the language. I can barely speak it," said University of Toronto student Saad Alam to a crowd of supporters, only days before he lost his bid to remain in Canada. He and his parents, were deported to Bangladesh last Friday</blockquote> U.S. <blockquote>Move enforced despite having lived in the country since ages 1, 3</blockquote> And even in cases where parents are allowed to stay, <blockquote>Authorities said some undocumented workers who were sole caregivers for children were allowed to return home with ankle bracelets that monitor their movement. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-14-3456309853_x.htm </blockquote> Do you think that that is a solution? In case of Japan, according to the video(1:33), if the parents work hard for long years and the child is over a junior high-school student, there are many cases where the parents and children are granted special residence qualification. Calderons are on borderline. For other cases, stereo has provided the useful links below. Jus soli won’t solve the problem.

As I showed on another thread, similar problems arise.
Canada

If I was to go back to Bangladesh, it would be completely devastating for me. I don’t know how to read or write the language. I can barely speak it,” said University of Toronto student Saad Alam to a crowd of supporters, only days before he lost his bid to remain in Canada. He and his parents, were deported to Bangladesh last Friday

U.S.

Move enforced despite having lived in the country since ages 1, 3

And even in cases where parents are allowed to stay,

Authorities said some undocumented workers who were sole caregivers for children were allowed to return home with ankle bracelets that monitor their movement.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-14-3456309853_x.htm

Do you think that that is a solution?

In case of Japan, according to the video(1:33), if the parents work hard for long years and the child is over a junior high-school student, there are many cases where the parents and children are granted special residence qualification. Calderons are on borderline.

For other cases, stereo has provided the useful links below.

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]]> By: stereo http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269519 stereo Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:02:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269519 Here is the list of Teijusha visas granted to illegal immigrants. http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan25.html Case 2,3,and 16 in Heisei 18 are similar to Noriko's case. Here is the list of Teijusha visas granted to illegal immigrants.
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan25.html

Case 2,3,and 16 in Heisei 18 are similar to Noriko’s case.

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]]> By: LB http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269518 LB Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:01:47 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269518 Yes, until you have illegal immigrants coming across the border while 9 months pregnant, because they know if the kid is born in Country X it is automatically a citizen, and since a citizen cannot be deported the baby stays, but you can't keep the baby and throw the mother out so the mother stays, and then in turn the father (if he isn't already in the country) gets a free ticket to enter too, and then their families.... This is the problem facing the US. They have effectively lost their ability in these situations to control immigration. The human, compassionate, gut-level reaction is "make the kid a citizen and let them stay". But that's not dealing with the practical realities of the situation. Most countries do not share the "by virtue of the fact that the fruit of your loins popped out on our shores, we award him/her citizenship, even though he/she has <i>absolutely no connection</i> to our country other than the chance circumstance that your water broke here" mentality. And thank goodness for that. Citizenship shouldn't be reduced to a door prize. Yes, until you have illegal immigrants coming across the border while 9 months pregnant, because they know if the kid is born in Country X it is automatically a citizen, and since a citizen cannot be deported the baby stays, but you can’t keep the baby and throw the mother out so the mother stays, and then in turn the father (if he isn’t already in the country) gets a free ticket to enter too, and then their families….

This is the problem facing the US. They have effectively lost their ability in these situations to control immigration. The human, compassionate, gut-level reaction is “make the kid a citizen and let them stay”. But that’s not dealing with the practical realities of the situation. Most countries do not share the “by virtue of the fact that the fruit of your loins popped out on our shores, we award him/her citizenship, even though he/she has absolutely no connection to our country other than the chance circumstance that your water broke here” mentality.

And thank goodness for that. Citizenship shouldn’t be reduced to a door prize.

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]]> By: moof http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269504 moof Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:32:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269504 Myself, I'm a big fan of <i>jus soli</i> - that those who are born on the soil of a country are a citizen of that country. Also, what Jeshii said. Myself, I’m a big fan of jus soli – that those who are born on the soil of a country are a citizen of that country. Also, what Jeshii said.

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]]> By: The Overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269501 The Overthinker Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:24:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269501 "But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they’re being mistreated." Ah yes, this explains why Debito is regularly arrested and tortured by the secret police, why his site is always banned, and why he was refused Japanese citizenship and told to get out. No, wait.... And please, unless you're from Italy, preferably Naples, don't even talk about "decent pizza".... And for that matter, have you seen the joke that passes for sushi in most places in the "West"? “But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they’re being mistreated.”

Ah yes, this explains why Debito is regularly arrested and tortured by the secret police, why his site is always banned, and why he was refused Japanese citizenship and told to get out. No, wait….

And please, unless you’re from Italy, preferably Naples, don’t even talk about “decent pizza”…. And for that matter, have you seen the joke that passes for sushi in most places in the “West”?

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269443 ponta Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:37:31 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269443 No country has a policy to embrace immigrants entirely for humanitarian purpose. <blockquote>the pact addresses fears about uncontrolled immigration and poorly integrated immigrant communities that have spread over the past 20 years in France and other European countries （FT　September 24 2008） </blockquote> <blockquote>It aims to organise legal immigration based on a state's needs and ability to welcome people, and combat illegal immigration, ensuring that foreigners who do not have papers are removed. EU nations would base legal immigration on workers or professionals whose skills are tailored to their particular labour needs, favouring those who would stay in their countries long term aljazeera.SUNDAY, JULY 13, 2008 </blockquote> Anti-immigration sentiments are high, perhaps higher in Europe and America and Britain probably because there are much more immigrants out there. Zainichi Koreans voice is strong in Japan. What is needed for other immigrants like Americans and Brits is to make a group to speak up based on the facts but childish 'human right activism' based on Japanophobia and fancy theory won't help;rather it aggravate the relation. No country has a policy to embrace immigrants entirely for humanitarian purpose.

the pact addresses fears about uncontrolled immigration and poorly integrated immigrant communities that have spread over the past 20 years in France and other European countries
（FT　September 24 2008）

It aims to organise legal immigration based on a state’s needs and ability to welcome people, and combat illegal immigration, ensuring that foreigners who do not have papers are removed.

EU nations would base legal immigration on workers or professionals whose skills are tailored to their particular labour needs, favouring those who would stay in their countries long term
aljazeera.SUNDAY, JULY 13, 2008

Anti-immigration sentiments are high, perhaps higher in Europe and America and Britain probably because there are much more immigrants out there.

Zainichi Koreans voice is strong in Japan.

What is needed for other immigrants like Americans and Brits is to make a group to speak up based on the facts but childish ‘human right activism’ based on Japanophobia and fancy theory won’t help;rather it aggravate the relation.

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]]> By: Thomas http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269440 Thomas Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:35:47 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269440 For most guys her it sounds perfectly normal to send back the parents but let the girl stay in Japan. What about if the girl doesn't want to be separated from her parents? This solution would tear apart a family and in the end punish the girl. Exceptions can always be made and they should be made here, too. At the end of the day, who really cares if one "illegal" family more or less. For most guys her it sounds perfectly normal to send back the parents but let the girl stay in Japan.
What about if the girl doesn’t want to be separated from her parents? This solution would tear apart a family and in the end punish the girl.

Exceptions can always be made and they should be made here, too. At the end of the day, who really cares if one “illegal” family more or less.

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]]> By: ダビ http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269334 ダビ Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:01:19 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269334 If they feel the parents need to be punished then send them back and let the girl go to a boarding school in Japan. If they feel the parents need to be punished then send them back and let the girl go to a boarding school in Japan.

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]]> By: Darien Shields http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269313 Darien Shields Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:25:27 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269313 Why the hell didn't they find out sooner? Have they been living there illegally for over a decade while the girl grew up? She's been enrolled in Japanese public schools too, and nowhere in the buerocracy did anyone notice she's not supposed to be there? I think that if they've managed to mess up and let this girl be born and grow up illegally in Japan, then they should have no option but to let her stay. Sure her parents might have been in the wrong staying in Japan in the first place, but it is the government who will have done a disservice to this girl by waiting so long to deport them. In general, I think Japan is way too stingy with its permanent residency and citizenship stuff. Living here to study now, I see that Japan has a very anti immigration culture. In the west, America and Britain, English speakers in general, I find, are often accused of being racist and nationalist and unsympathetic to immigrants and foreigners. But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they're being mistreated. Here, the whole country is not sympathetic to foreigners of any sort, and only sees foreign culture between a weird sort of looking glass. Here the immigrants and foreigners are even more maligned than in the West, they just don't have a big voice to say anything about it. Japan needs to open up and embrace foreign culture. Maybe then we could get some freakin' proper pizza out here. Why the hell didn’t they find out sooner? Have they been living there illegally for over a decade while the girl grew up? She’s been enrolled in Japanese public schools too, and nowhere in the buerocracy did anyone notice she’s not supposed to be there? I think that if they’ve managed to mess up and let this girl be born and grow up illegally in Japan, then they should have no option but to let her stay. Sure her parents might have been in the wrong staying in Japan in the first place, but it is the government who will have done a disservice to this girl by waiting so long to deport them.

In general, I think Japan is way too stingy with its permanent residency and citizenship stuff. Living here to study now, I see that Japan has a very anti immigration culture. In the west, America and Britain, English speakers in general, I find, are often accused of being racist and nationalist and unsympathetic to immigrants and foreigners.

But here I am beginning to get the impression that the only reason these sorts of thoughts exist is that we already have a lot of freedom for immigrants and foreigners to stand up and say that they’re being mistreated. Here, the whole country is not sympathetic to foreigners of any sort, and only sees foreign culture between a weird sort of looking glass. Here the immigrants and foreigners are even more maligned than in the West, they just don’t have a big voice to say anything about it.

Japan needs to open up and embrace foreign culture.

Maybe then we could get some freakin’ proper pizza out here.

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]]> By: Jeshii http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269292 Jeshii Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:26:21 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269292 Anytime the children know nothing but Japan, they should at least allow the children residency. This is the perfect example of why you can't just kick people out. I really feel for these people. As an American who lived in Japan and got married there and had a normal life, it is a bizarre feeling that people could say it wasn't my home. It was my home. It was bizarre coming back to America too, since it didn't feel like home anymore. When I go to Japan, there are two messages at the airport. One that says "Welcome to Japan" and the other that says 「おかえりなさい」. I've always wondered which one applies to me. So, even if her parents are illegal, that poor girl IS Japanese. You can't take that out of her no matter what. All she knows is Japan. I just don't understand how people can be so worried about immigration in this day and age. We are really all in this together. Anytime the children know nothing but Japan, they should at least allow the children residency. This is the perfect example of why you can’t just kick people out.

I really feel for these people. As an American who lived in Japan and got married there and had a normal life, it is a bizarre feeling that people could say it wasn’t my home. It was my home. It was bizarre coming back to America too, since it didn’t feel like home anymore.

When I go to Japan, there are two messages at the airport. One that says “Welcome to Japan” and the other that says 「おかえりなさい」. I’ve always wondered which one applies to me.

So, even if her parents are illegal, that poor girl IS Japanese. You can’t take that out of her no matter what. All she knows is Japan.

I just don’t understand how people can be so worried about immigration in this day and age. We are really all in this together.

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]]> By: Buster http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269286 Buster Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:18:03 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269286 The girl is born in Japan, now I know shes not a citizen by Japanese laws, but there should at least be some kind of possiblity for her (not her parents) to get a permanent visa, or something like a greencard. The girl is born in Japan, now I know shes not a citizen by Japanese laws, but there should at least be some kind of possiblity for her (not her parents) to get a permanent visa, or something like a greencard.

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]]> By: Cesar http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/11/27/noriko-calderon-allowed-to-stay-in-japan-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-269244 Cesar Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:17:45 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=7519#comment-269244 They're illegal and this case's not special at all there should be no doubt that the family'd have to be deported They’re illegal and this case’s not special at all

there should be no doubt that the family’d have to be deported

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