Just because its how it works in the United States does not mean that is how the rest of the world automatically functions.

I can but put it into D&D terms.

It is pure lawful evil.

Either that, or she is exceptionally dense. Didn’t she ever think it was odd when the other kids in her class started picking on her for being a gaijin? I mean, that’s rampant here in xenophobic Japan, right?

What is even more amazing to me is it took the authorities 14 years to realize the mother was an illegal when some people supposedly get stopped on their bikes and carded every week or more right in front of their homes, by the same cops over and over!

And even if her parents did make a concerted effort to speak Japanese as much as possible, I somehow doubt they sat around at dinner every night eating only nikujaga or okonomiyaki or yakizakana. This girl has had to have had a lot of exposure to Filipino culture all her life. Being yanked out of Japan and deported to the Philippines would be stressful on her, for certain, but she would not be sent to some totally alien world as some seem to think she would.

Historically, they can and have been. Frequently. The “nation” as we know it now is a modern idea. As is, to a surprising extent, national identity.

Students’ deportation date set
Move enforced despite having lived in the country since ages 1, 3
http://media.www.thespartandaily.com/media/storage/paper852/news/2004/04/13/CampusNews/Students.Deportation.Date.Set-1498673.shtml

“If I was to go back to Bangladesh, it would be completely devastating for me. I don’t know how to read or write the language. I can barely speak it,” said University of Toronto student Saad Alam to a crowd of supporters, only days before he lost his bid to remain in Canada. He and his parents, were deported to Bangladesh last Friday.
http://media.www.thestrand.ca/media/storage/paper404/news/2008/10/16/News/Uoft-Student.Deported.To.Bangladesh-3490911.shtml

She is Japanese, and she should be a japanese citizen. One day, when people have grown up a little bit, hopefully we will realize that this whole ‘nation’ thing is nonsense. This is Earth, not Japan and Korea and America and China, etc.

But I think the chances are slim for her to get Teijusha visa, because the visa violation of her parents is very serious and planned, unlike overstayers who are likely to get Teijusha visas.

Who will pay for it? If you really care and if you live in Japan, you can adopt her so that she can live in Japan.

If Noriko is allowed to stay in Japan, then why not others? A flood of other cases would ask for the same leniency. For those that scoff at national law in the interest of humanitarian benovelence, then why don’t we consider this. Let’s say we accept all refugees from war-torn nations as well as those who are in dire economic straits to the United States. If we make a conservative estimate to how many people that accept this, let’s say 50 million. Now these 50 million people will most likely be unable to speak or read English, understand American civics and its institutions, their children will receive free education and medical benefits.

Another post that is really about US illegal immigration and not about Japan. The old “if we let those damn foreigners in then we’ll end up like Somalia” attack. First of all, what possible basis do you claim “a flood” from? You are also setting up a strawman by going on about all these foreigners flooding into the US when the whole point about this situation is that it this is a very unusual case. And of course if the US did accept all these people then it would be done officially – they would be legal, working through the system.

And I might point out, too, that these poor US taxpayers will include the newly-arrived 50 million of course.

“In that case, nation-states no longer exist with that sort of thinking.”

Interesing concept….

Btw, has anyone read “into the country of standing men” by rey ventura? http://globalnation.inquirer.net/diaspora/diaspora/view_article.php?article_id=70214

Difficult for all those visa overstayers. But that is exactly what the fingerprinting is designed to pick up – or rather, those that have been expelled once and are trying a different name.

How is this manifest?

Tell you what, in terms of an air of not wanting to let foreigners in, the US is the worst I have experienced – and that was just as a tourist.

1- Illegal immigrants should be deported when he or she arrive in Japan.

2- If the illegal immigrant has babies in Japan, the government should take in consideration such fact, such as

A – Giving a special permission to the child of illegal immigrant that has as a first language or unique language Japanese and fine his or her parents for such error. At any stance, his ou her parents should be punished in any other way without breaking the link between parents and children.

B- Give the rights for immigrants who has babies in Japan to live here safety. Give to the children the Japanese citizenship as long their parents want to live in Japan and keep the rules of Japan, as well as helping the country to improve the society.

C- Give equal rights for both foregners and Japanese Nationals. According to Sach, without equality, countries cannot develop more than they can do.

C-

However, even the Japanese immigration system is correct there are too many illegal immigrants coming into Japan and give birth there which could cause troubles. It might be the timing that those kids should be acquiring instant citizenship up to some certain ages because Japan is facing population declining.

That’s like saying if a child was born at a concert you should arrest them for not having bought a ticket.

The child should not be considered an illegal immigrant. If her parents entered Japan without the proper paperwork I could see a case for deporting them.

I realize that’s an extreme example but, come’on… if this girl’s parents really did keep their illegal status from her and she wasn’t the one who entered the country illegally, why punish her? There’s nothing in the rule of law that says someone who unwittingly associates with a law-breaker is guilty by association. What kind of message does that send? You better not associate with anyone else, lest they be later accused of a crime and you’re left hanging out to dry as a result.

Deport the parents? Sure… Maybe let one or both stay another few years until their daughter can survive on her own and then, out they go. But she was born in Japan and did *not* enter the country illegally. Where’s the crime?

i’m really saddened by Noriko’s situation as I am Filipino-Chinese myself. If this was the US she would have been given at the very least permanent residence already. I think the US system is more logical since the person will always have special attachment to the country he/she was born in.

Sadly that’s not the case in Japan as Japan is still quite homogeneous. I have stayed there and there’s a slight air of the country wanting to avoid letting foreigners into the country.

However I still think the Japanese system is correct. Many people go into the US, give birth there and kaboom, instant citizenship to your baby (a friend of mine did this) and sooner or later the parent’s citizenship will follow. The american law is quite abused already. If japan departs thousand of illegal immigrants anually then the same should be applied, otherwise it’s stupid to exempt one person from the law just by a few signatures.

Exactly. This is the punishment. Clock it in legal finery if you like (and let’s not mention the hefty fines) but it’s still a punishment.

Japanese government is reluctant to issue visas to immigration violators for 5 years. Since she stayed in Japan without a valid visa, she is not likely to come back for 5 years if deported.

Though, legally speaking, such consequence is not a criminal punishment. She can only blame her parents.

By the way, is the philipines jus sanguinis country?

This girl’s life will be impossible if she is sent to the Phillipines. No friends, no language, no cultural knowledge.

If you do not have the right to stay in a country, you just have to leave the country.

They would reassure conservatives that there won’t be a flood of illegal immigrants pouring into the country and they would allow this poor girl to continue her studies and not suffer because of her parents mistake.

By having the stipulation of born and raised in Japan, it also dramatically lowers the number of people eligible for this special consideration.

Exceptions need to be dealt with carefully, especially in a case such as this. Exceptions mean loopholes, and we all know that illegal immigrants would only suffer with the presence of gaping holes in laws.

2) Allowed to remain to raise her at least until she is of age, then possibly punitative deportation for a set period.

3) Same thing.

4) Born and raised in Japan. no cultural or emotional ties to official nationality nation.

This is NOT like Mexicans going to the US. For one thing, it’s a fuck of a lot harder to do what they did instead of sneaking across and dropping off an anchor baby. It’s also physically harder to get into the country – you can’t just walk across. Illegal immigration is a problem in Japan, but not on the scale it is in the US.

So long as the government never makes it an official policy there is no problem. What these people are going through and have gone through is not “easy.”