Comments on: 70 percent of fugitives wanted for heinous crimes remain at large for over 5 years http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/ Japan News Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:33:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-/#comment-256053 ponta Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:49:56 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-256053 Are you nervous because you will end up on the menu of the people with prejudice about Asia? ---I hope the humor of this will not bypass you. Are you nervous because you will end up on the menu of the people with prejudice about Asia? —I hope the humor of this will not bypass you.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-/#comment-255843 ponta Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:53:46 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255843 Is that your image of dogs in Asia?ーーーーquite interesting. Is that your image of dogs in Asia?ーーーーquite interesting.

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]]> By: tzvete http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255538 tzvete Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:12:09 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255538 It would be really interesting to compare but not only Japan and US.Germany,France,UK? It would be really interesting to compare but not only Japan and US.Germany,France,UK?

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255526 Bob Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:53:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255526 Did the Kempeitai execute fellow officers for failing to perform their duty properly? If so, they get my vote! HeHe! Did the Kempeitai execute fellow officers for failing to perform their duty properly? If so, they get my vote! HeHe!

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255523 Bob Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:50:44 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255523 English version: http://www.npa.go.jp/english/seisaku5/20081008.pdf (Page 53) English version:

http://www.npa.go.jp/english/seisaku5/20081008.pdf

(Page 53)

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]]> By: Rated R http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255505 Rated R Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:51:03 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255505 That would be the greatest TV Special ever! Dog in Japan! That would be the greatest TV Special ever! Dog in Japan!

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]]> By: Alex http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255496 Alex Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:19:08 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255496 "Level3@’s idea - a Japanese style FBI is beginning to look like an attractive option for Japan policing." Let's hope they wouldn't consider structuring it after the Kempeitai - Then they'd be doing a little bit <i>too</i> good of a job policing the nation... “Level3@’s idea – a Japanese style FBI is beginning to look like an attractive option for Japan policing.”

Let’s hope they wouldn’t consider structuring it after the Kempeitai – Then they’d be doing a little bit too good of a job policing the nation…

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]]> By: Level3 http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255467 Level3 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:48:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255467 I think the problem is that US police forces are still mainly state and local, so probably a lot of crime stats are by state or city. The FBI is not exactly an all-powerful national police force. I'm pretty sure they can only be brought in if a crime or criminal involves more than one state, or has violated some federal law. A fugitive murderer on the run is pretty much guaranteed to have crossed a state line, so the FBI can get involved. In the US, many [most?] laws are still state laws [This is also why it's particularly hard for Americans to get driver's licenses in Japan, no national standard] Maybe the GAO has some reports? The Department of Justice probably has some stats somewhere on their website. Maybe try searching for just one state, like California of New York? I think the problem is that US police forces are still mainly state and local, so probably a lot of crime stats are by state or city.

The FBI is not exactly an all-powerful national police force. I’m pretty sure they can only be brought in if a crime or criminal involves more than one state, or has violated some federal law.

A fugitive murderer on the run is pretty much guaranteed to have crossed a state line, so the FBI can get involved.

In the US, many [most?] laws are still state laws
[This is also why it's particularly hard for Americans to get driver's licenses in Japan, no national standard]

Maybe the GAO has some reports?
The Department of Justice probably has some stats somewhere on their website.
Maybe try searching for just one state, like California of New York?

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]]> By: Random http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255454 Random Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:20:24 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255454 Can't we just send Dog the Bounty Hunter? Can’t we just send Dog the Bounty Hunter?

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255430 Bob Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:04:54 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255430 Chris@ I've been looking for US 'unsolved violent crime' statistics, mixing it up with other relevant search terms on Google. I'm having trouble finding information for the US! It's as if the US don't want to admit there are any unsolved crimes - either that, or the FBI (US) are clearing up all the unsolved crimes. By-the-way, 'unsolved violent crime' (**this exact wording or phrase**) yields only 297 results on Google, so I'm not basing my search on this term! - Can someone supply me with nomenclature for the US police services? Level3@'s idea - a Japanese style FBI is beginning to look like an attractive option for Japan policing. Chris@ I’ve been looking for US ‘unsolved violent crime’ statistics, mixing it up with other relevant search terms on Google. I’m having trouble finding information for the US! It’s as if the US don’t want to admit there are any unsolved crimes – either that, or the FBI (US) are clearing up all the unsolved crimes. By-the-way, ‘unsolved violent crime’ (**this exact wording or phrase**) yields only 297 results on Google, so I’m not basing my search on this term! – Can someone supply me with nomenclature for the US police services?

Level3@’s idea – a Japanese style FBI is beginning to look like an attractive option for Japan policing.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255357 Chris Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:09:10 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255357 This is an interesting statistic, it seemed high at first, but then you have to ask yourself exactly what constitutes a heinous crime. I'm trying to figure out what the rate is in America, I'd guess it would be lower simply because we deal with crimes like murder a LOT more. Oh, and although its just my opinion, I think the statute of limitations on murder should be life. This is an interesting statistic, it seemed high at first, but then you have to ask yourself exactly what constitutes a heinous crime. I’m trying to figure out what the rate is in America, I’d guess it would be lower simply because we deal with crimes like murder a LOT more.

Oh, and although its just my opinion, I think the statute of limitations on murder should be life.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255330 ponta Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:53:16 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255330 http://www.npa.go.jp/hakusyo/h20/toukei/t1-01.pdf Okay,I've found the one. heinous crime 9,051 clear ups 6,461 the ratio 71% http://www.npa.go.jp/hakusyo/h20/toukei/t1-01.pdf
Okay,I’ve found the one.
heinous crime 9,051
clear ups 6,461
the ratio 71%

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255328 ponta Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:43:30 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255328 Japan comes out on the top when it comes to the conviction rate; still, it is interpreted as a fault of Japan's system. Anyway my point is you can't compare apple with orange. The link says it is based on the police white paper, I have no reason to doubt it---You don't have to brag about Japan's record in Yahoo answer in Japanese. If this is not the fact, what is the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime in Japan by your research? That is what you tried to compare with, though it is different from the ratio of the fugitive wanted at large. Japan comes out on the top when it comes to the conviction rate; still, it is interpreted as a fault of Japan’s system.

Anyway my point is you can’t compare apple with orange.
The link says it is based on the police white paper, I have no reason to doubt it—You don’t have to brag about Japan’s record in Yahoo answer in Japanese. If this is not the fact, what is the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime in Japan by your research? That is what you tried to compare with, though it is different from the ratio of the fugitive wanted at large.

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255228 Bob Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:40:17 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255228 Move along please... This page is just public opinion, not exactly hard data. http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1410671479?fr=rcmd_chie_detail Any old wag could have written this unsupported entry, then people voted that this was the best answer. Japan comes out on top, voted by Japanese people - hardly surprising. Look at any Yahoo questions page and the 'home' country will vote in favour of answers that make the home country look good. Move along please…

This page is just public opinion, not exactly hard data.

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1410671479?fr=rcmd_chie_detail

Any old wag could have written this unsupported entry, then people voted that this was the best answer. Japan comes out on top, voted by Japanese people – hardly surprising.

Look at any Yahoo questions page and the ‘home’ country will vote in favour of answers that make the home country look good.

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]]> By: ponta http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255223 ponta Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:19:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255223 <blockquote> but is Japan’s fugitive rate also notably higher than other nations?</blockquote> According to Yahoo!answer the ration of, for instance , the murder recognized to the clear-ups is more than 94% in Japan. 64％ in US、83％ in UK 、79％ in France 、95％ in Germany http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1410671479?fr=rcmd_chie_detail <blockquote>We all know about Japan’s infamously high conviction rate,</blockquote> I don't understand why high conviction rate itself is a bad thing. BTW, The English translation of the article is a bit misleading. The ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is different from the ratio of the fugitive wanted to the arrest. And the the point of the article is <blockquote>警察庁は、逮捕者が増えない原因の一つに国民に「無関心」や「相互不干渉」の風潮が広まったことを挙げているが、生井澄子さんは時効を迎えるまで「どうやったら一般の人から情報を得られるか」と考え続けたという。自費で２００万円の懸賞金をかけたのも「情報がほしい」との願いからだった。「逃げ切れば、罪には問われない」。そんな時効制度が、指名手配容疑者の逃走を助長している面もある。【石丸整】</blockquote> One reason the arrest rate for wanted fugitive does not increase is because people are more unconcerned with each other, according to the police---you commit a crime, and once you escape and live among people , people don't care who you really are, but it might be that the statute of limitations motivates the fugitives more to hide--you hide successfully long enough, you are free, according to the author.

but is Japan’s fugitive rate also notably higher than other nations?

According to Yahoo!answer the ration of, for instance , the murder recognized to the clear-ups is more than 94% in Japan. 64％ in US、83％ in UK 、79％ in France 、95％ in Germany
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1410671479?fr=rcmd_chie_detail

We all know about Japan’s infamously high conviction rate,

I don’t understand why high conviction rate itself is a bad thing.

BTW, The English translation of the article is a bit misleading.
The ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is different from the ratio of the fugitive wanted to the arrest.
And the the point of the article is

警察庁は、逮捕者が増えない原因の一つに国民に「無関心」や「相互不干渉」の風潮が広まったことを挙げているが、生井澄子さんは時効を迎えるまで「どうやったら一般の人から情報を得られるか」と考え続けたという。自費で２００万円の懸賞金をかけたのも「情報がほしい」との願いからだった。「逃げ切れば、罪には問われない」。そんな時効制度が、指名手配容疑者の逃走を助長している面もある。【石丸整】

One reason the arrest rate for wanted fugitive does not increase is because people are more unconcerned with each other, according to the police—you commit a crime, and once you escape and live among people , people don’t care who you really are, but it might be that the statute of limitations motivates the fugitives more to hide–you hide successfully long enough, you are free, according to the author.

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255201 Bob Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:51 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255201 "you will see three clickable links" Should read 4 clickable links... hehe! Does this give you confidence in my math abilities!? Believe me, it's my editing at fault, I didn't go back and change it! “you will see three clickable links”

Should read 4 clickable links… hehe! Does this give you confidence in my math abilities!? Believe me, it’s my editing at fault, I didn’t go back and change it!

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255200 Bob Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:47:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255200 Here are Sept 2007: London Metropolitain Police figures - http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/2007/200709.htm On the bottom left of the page you will see three clickable links Offences | Total Detections | Sanction Detections | Accused http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/definitions.htm for explanations on these. Pretty sure that the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is: 14432 : (4904 + 2866) 14432 : 7770 solved (=53.84%) 14432 : (14432 - 7770) unsolved (=46.16%) Note: This is a month-by-month basis. Crimes sometimes take longer to solve than one month. I'm hunting for annual stats. Want to choose another month? : http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/index.htm Click on the 'Web Pages' link. *** Just found the Annual stats for Fiscal Year 2007 on http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/index.htm Click on Financial Year 2007-2008 Summary 'Web pages' link, takes you to: http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/2008/2008_yend.htm Pretty sure that the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is: 172743 : (61353 + 35731) 172743 : 97084 solved (=56.20%) 172743 : (172743 - 97084) unsolved (=43.80%) Here are Sept 2007: London Metropolitain Police figures -

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/2007/200709.htm

On the bottom left of the page you will see three clickable links

Offences | Total Detections | Sanction Detections | Accused

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/definitions.htm
for explanations on these.

Pretty sure that the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is:
14432 : (4904 + 2866)
14432 : 7770 solved (=53.84%)
14432 : (14432 – 7770) unsolved (=46.16%)

Note: This is a month-by-month basis. Crimes sometimes take longer to solve than one month. I’m hunting for annual stats.

Want to choose another month? :

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/index.htm

Click on the ‘Web Pages’ link.

***

Just found the Annual stats for Fiscal Year 2007 on

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/index.htm

Click on Financial Year 2007-2008 Summary ‘Web pages’ link, takes you to:

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/2008/2008_yend.htm

Pretty sure that the ratio of offences to detections for violent crime is:
172743 : (61353 + 35731)
172743 : 97084 solved (=56.20%)
172743 : (172743 – 97084) unsolved (=43.80%)

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]]> By: Level3 http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255194 Level3 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:24:44 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255194 Yeah, but doesn't this mean that they ALL "must have committed suicide" according to Koban Keystone theory. No "japanese FBI" + police incompetence + cash-based society without much use of credit cards with fewer monetary paper trails to follow + they all look alike! ;) [The suspect has black hair, brown eyes, and is of slender build.] Wonder if foreigners also have a better police-dodging cahnce in Japan? Yeah, but doesn’t this mean that they ALL “must have committed suicide” according to Koban Keystone theory.

No “japanese FBI” + police incompetence + cash-based society without much use of credit cards with fewer monetary paper trails to follow + they all look alike! ;)
[The suspect has black hair, brown eyes, and is of slender build.]

Wonder if foreigners also have a better police-dodging cahnce in Japan?

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255177 James Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:18:30 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255177 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6443 There are such shows (post is about Ichihashi, but the show had two or three other high profile wanted killers). http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6443
There are such shows (post is about Ichihashi, but the show had two or three other high profile wanted killers).

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255166 Bob Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:00:14 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255166 "a href" didn't come out, but: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9kUCFtRjvgQ I'm sure you get the general idea. “a href” didn’t come out, but:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9kUCFtRjvgQ

I’m sure you get the general idea.

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]]> By: feitclub http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255165 feitclub Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:59:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255165 I wonder how this rate compares to other countries. We all know about Japan's infamously high conviction rate, but is Japan's fugitive rate also notably higher than other nations? And has there ever been a "Japan's Most Wanted" fugitive-focused TV show? I'm guessing not, considering their strict slander laws. I wonder how this rate compares to other countries. We all know about Japan’s infamously high conviction rate, but is Japan’s fugitive rate also notably higher than other nations?

And has there ever been a “Japan’s Most Wanted” fugitive-focused TV show? I’m guessing not, considering their strict slander laws.

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]]> By: Bob http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/10/27/70-percent-of-fugitives-wanted-for-heinous-crimes-remain-at-large-for-over-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-255161 Bob Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:53:42 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=6901#comment-255161 <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9kUCFtRjvgQ" title="I'm sure you get the general idea." rel="nofollow">

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