Comments on: Japanese government blocks in vitro fertilization procedures for HIV couples http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/ Japan News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-206311 Eric Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:01:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-206311 This is really silly. They won't let the HIV+ couple have invitro, so that their baby will have a better chance of being HIV-. This couple could still have sex without a contraceptive and conceive an HIV+ child. AND Japan wants more children. Where is the logic? This is really silly.

They won’t let the HIV+ couple have invitro, so that their baby will have a better chance of being HIV-.

This couple could still have sex without a contraceptive and conceive an HIV+ child.

AND Japan wants more children.

Where is the logic?

]]> By: Jorge http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-206076 Jorge Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:31:21 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-206076 Africans are not genetically inferior (they are not good at civilized society) to whites they're just generally less intelligent, have less common sense and are more violent. Africans are not genetically inferior (they are not good at civilized society) to whites they’re just generally less intelligent, have less common sense and are more violent.

]]> By: P-A http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-206030 P-A Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:32:01 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-206030 For the story, here was the fun article : http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/18/MN73840.DTL "Incompetent People Really Have No Clue, Studies Find" .. I'm sure that we'll find dozens of counter examples and studies going in the other direction. I still love that article for their shocking consequences .. ;) For the story, here was the fun article :
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/18/MN73840.DTL

“Incompetent People Really Have No Clue, Studies Find” .. I’m sure that we’ll find dozens of counter examples and studies going in the other direction. I still love that article for their shocking consequences .. ;)

]]> By: P-A http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-206029 P-A Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:28:13 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-206029 Hum, this is going in an emotional direction. The intention was for all to think about the shocking statement, and realize that we need to be careful of judging too fast. Nothing more. Perfectly agree that on numerous topics, especially economy, a little digging reveals "expert" opinions going into different directions. In my case: 1/stick with my core values of "right and wrong" while trying to understand both sides of the coin or 2/admit that getting a level of knowledge required to get a good opinion takes too much time investment, and invest that time on something else. Glad to see the crowd so (re)active today :) P-A Hum, this is going in an emotional direction.
The intention was for all to think about the shocking statement, and realize that we need to be careful of judging too fast. Nothing more.
Perfectly agree that on numerous topics, especially economy, a little digging reveals “expert” opinions going into different directions. In my case: 1/stick with my core values of “right and wrong” while trying to understand both sides of the coin or 2/admit that getting a level of knowledge required to get a good opinion takes too much time investment, and invest that time on something else.

Glad to see the crowd so (re)active today :)

P-A

]]> By: me http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-205975 me Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:15:37 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-205975 By the way, in case you're unaware, there are clear genetic differences between "Africans" and "Whites." The so called experts were not wrong in claiming genetic differences; though claiming inferiority may have been a difficult statement to back. I'm simply bringing this up because people seem to use this story as a false example, when it is really a valid empirical observation that has simply been beaten down by our PC and oversensitive society. By the way, in case you’re unaware, there are clear genetic differences between “Africans” and “Whites.” The so called experts were not wrong in claiming genetic differences; though claiming inferiority may have been a difficult statement to back. I’m simply bringing this up because people seem to use this story as a false example, when it is really a valid empirical observation that has simply been beaten down by our PC and oversensitive society.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-205954 Aaron Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:22:53 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-205954 Sorry, but in my opinion, what you say is extremely offensive (although you may be being sarcastic, and if so, my apologies). But it is absolutely not true that only "experts" shoud have input in policy decisions. People have the right to make informed decisions about their own lives within certain reasonable levels. Who gets to decide who is an expert--and keep in mind that most public "experts" get in that position more for political and economic reasons than any particular skill or knowledge. "Experts" used to say that Africans were genetically inferior to whites--should they get to make all decisions for Africans, then? Besides, experts routinely disagree (if you've ever been involved in academia, you would know that 10 experts = at least 15 different opinions). People should be given the input of experts, but, ultimately, people should hae the right to self-determination. Sorry, but in my opinion, what you say is extremely offensive (although you may be being sarcastic, and if so, my apologies). But it is absolutely not true that only “experts” shoud have input in policy decisions. People have the right to make informed decisions about their own lives within certain reasonable levels. Who gets to decide who is an expert–and keep in mind that most public “experts” get in that position more for political and economic reasons than any particular skill or knowledge. “Experts” used to say that Africans were genetically inferior to whites–should they get to make all decisions for Africans, then? Besides, experts routinely disagree (if you’ve ever been involved in academia, you would know that 10 experts = at least 15 different opinions). People should be given the input of experts, but, ultimately, people should hae the right to self-determination.

]]> By: Bruce Smith http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-205905 Bruce Smith Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:20:41 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-205905 How do you define "expert" ? Expert in what ? How do you define “expert” ? Expert in what ?

]]> By: P-A http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/07/22/japanese-government-blocks-in-vitro-fertilization-procedures-for-hiv-couples/comment-page-1/#comment-205883 P-A Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:05:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5274#comment-205883 A complex discussion topic where non-experts should not influence experts' decision. The right to give life in adverse conditions is always difficult. In the same context, and with different degrees of impact on the life of our children: - should terminally ill parents have the right to conceive? - should mentally ill & dangerous parents have the right to conceive and keep the child? - should we have the right to destroy what belongs to our kids (yes, I am going green these days..) Dangerous topics for non-experts :) One quote to keep in mind: the quality to excel in a field, and the ability to judge the same field have often the same base. In other terms, the more clueless about a topic, the least you will recognize it, and the stronger your opinion on it. Daily applications: Geopolitics (politics), Business (I can do better than the boss), new legislation, electing the best candidate to lead a country.. :) P-A A complex discussion topic where non-experts should not influence experts’ decision.
The right to give life in adverse conditions is always difficult.
In the same context, and with different degrees of impact on the life of our children:
- should terminally ill parents have the right to conceive?
- should mentally ill & dangerous parents have the right to conceive and keep the child?
- should we have the right to destroy what belongs to our kids (yes, I am going green these days..)

Dangerous topics for non-experts :)
One quote to keep in mind: the quality to excel in a field, and the ability to judge the same field have often the same base. In other terms, the more clueless about a topic, the least you will recognize it, and the stronger your opinion on it.
Daily applications: Geopolitics (politics), Business (I can do better than the boss), new legislation, electing the best candidate to lead a country.. :)

P-A

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