However, can I ask why there seems to be this racism going on here from the Koreans? Why do you keep calling us whitie? Im sorry, I didnt realize you were still our little-yellow friends… Hmmm, can we try to get past the racist horse sh-t and just respect each other a bit?? Your Korean, Im American, the other guys Japanese etc. etc. etc. You sound really stupid calling all westerners whitie…
As for the Dokdo islands, my answer to this problem is the international standards of warfare and the rules inherent with either winning or losing said war. Realistically, when Japan lost World War II, it lost its Empire, which consisted of all lands siezed by Japan as a part of their expansionist movements of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Now, I dont know the specifics for this in particular, but if Dokdo was seized by Japan during that period and not before, then it reverted properly to Korea. However, if Japan took those islands before it took Korea or Taiwan, then those islands are not considered a part of the expansionist Japanese Empire and thus would not have been severed from Tokyo as a part of the occupation.

Anyways, look at it this way, if Japan really really wanted those islands, they would take them from you. Its that simple, if youve done your studies, you know that the S. Korean navy cant hold a candle to Japan’s MSDF. So I guess we all just get to see a very controversial issue between two ancient, and in my opinion amazing, civilizations play out. Good luck to all of you, and seriously about the whitie thing, dont be such an ignorant sounding git.

Oh and about the Japanese victimization thing, look at the way Japans neighbors act towards it, last time I checked every nation changes their text books to make themselves look better, Korea and China are no different, they just do it to different things…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_territories

Theres even “a Dokdo” for Chinese to haggle over with the Koreans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suyan_Rock

Secondly, I didnt dream the vietnamese student protests against China some months ago, I think. The conflict about the Senkakus isnt settled, neither are Chinas conflicts with India over territory, its just not a hot topic discussion or will lead to a war or something, just like the sachalin, senkakus, takeshima/dokdo, etc. conflicts.

Now, assuming its indeed boundaries and resouces that play a factor for the claims, who does this make Japan any different from the other “players” in comparable reasons, thus why dont you equally condemn the koreans, chinese, etc.?

If Korea and China put their sentiment toward the past agression from Japanese side always, they will never improve their nation.

- I agree with you on that man.

“In order to keep the own population on the govs side, its essencial to come up with something ppl agree with & can be passionate about.
The US came up with human rights & democracy;
the Chinese with history;
the Koreans with pride
+ history;”

- Basing on what I’ve observed so far, I agree.

“the Japanese with victimnisation.”

- I would disagree here. The Japanese aren’t acting like victims. That’s because they’re actually victims in a way. I mean, I’m sure a lot of people remember the violent anti-Japan riots of several years ago, where Japanese businesses in China got attacked and all that, add to that all this anti-Japan sentiment in Korea, with these displays of nationalism. Ironically, such events don’t hurt the image of Japan overseas. In fact it makes people more sympathetic towards Japan. It’s like Korea and China, at their own expense, giving free international sympathy to Japan. Maybe that’s why Japan isn’t complaining despite all of these things happening.

“I am just fed up with the Japanese pretending to be the good guys being victims of Koreans.”

- Like I said man, they’re not pretending or anything. It’s the angry nationalistic Chinese and Koreans that are making Japan look good.

“Its like saying the US is the real innocent victim in the Iraq war.”

-Sorry dude, comparing US-Iraq to Japan-Korea doesn’t work here. Although I’m not familiar with the specifics of the Japanese occupation of Korea, the fact that the occupation of Korea happened more than half a century ago, Koreans (and Chinese for that matter) should just learn to let go. I mean, come on. The current Japan is worlds apart from the Japan of WWII, especially ideologically. They’re no longer a country filled with extreme right wingers. And all the WWII guys are already dead or too old already. Just move on. I’m SE Asian and our country got murdered, raped, plundered, etc by Japan as well, but we’ve moved on. Fact is, your typical person here actually likes and respects Japan and he’d also have quite a positive opinion of Japanese. I mean, we don’t forger what happened in the past, we still teach WWII events in school, and we have also have grandparents who got bayoneted, raped, etc, but we don’t wallow in it. I mean, more than half a century has passed since WWII already man, just let it rest.

“Ever wonder why Japan never got any support from southeast asian nations when those things happens?”

- Here’s my opinion as a SE Asian. SE Asian countries are typically small and poor, with negligible influence (well, at least compared to the Asian behemoths like China and Japan for instance). As such SE Asian governments tend to just sit in the corner and hope no one notices ‘em. If they don’t support Japan, then that’s more because they’re afraid of the consequences of “supporting” Japan than anything else. I don’t think our bureaucrats fancy the idea of economically strong China or Korea breathing down on their necks.

“JP is the cute little anime nation in the eyes of whities. But between JP and the ASEANS there is stil lots of hatred & dislike going on. Whities just dont sense this emotions cos ppl keep this to themselves.”

- Like I mentioned man. Your typical person here doesn’t hate Japan at all. Not sure about the other SE Asian countries though. Although I would guess that most of SE Asia has already moved on more or less. It’s probably only just China and Korea wallowing in all this hate.

“Only the Koreans/Chinese r freak out enough to openly show their dislike for JP, while the rest just hide their dislikes much better and deeper.”

- Sorry man. No hate here. I suggest cooling down as well man. It feels better than having all that hate.

“If u r white, ur skin colour is reason enough to keep the mouth of most asean ppl shut regarding what they really feel.”

- Not true. Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. Personally, I’d very much welcome a Westerner’s point of view since they can look at things from an outsider’s point of view.

-Anyway, sorry for the long post. To my Chinese and Korean friends, I suggest letting go of all the hate. It feels much much better that way. Thanks.

Tibet belongs de facto to China. Saying there is a
territorial conflict is like saying there is a
territorial conflict between England and North irland or the Scots.
Just because whities cant accept that Tibet is within Chinas border now, it does not mean its not part of China, at least for now.

Taiwan is a wanna be independant candidate. If China is Serbia, no prob. Unfortunate for them, they r dealing with China. Just like unfortunate for Iraqis, they r dealing with the US. So, both big fat bullies arent going to loose their grips anytime soon.

What i was trying to say is that territorial conflicts are often more about resources fighting than history or pride sh*t. Nations just invent excuses to make themselves look good when the real reason behind those conflicts r often nothing more than greed.
In order to keep the own population on the govs side, its essencial to come up with something ppl agree with & can be passionate about.
The US came up with human rights & democracy;
the Chinese with history;
the Koreans with pride
+ history;
the Japanese with victimnisation.
I am just fed up with the Japanese pretending to be the good guys being victims of Koreans.
Its like saying the US is the real innocent victim in the Iraq war.

Ever wonder why Japan never got any support from southeast asian nations when those things happens?
You think Koreans/Chinese r the only one being pissed of about comfort woman/textbook and so on?
Vietnamese, Indonesians, Singaporean… r also pissed off, but their voice r overheard cos they r for JP not as important as their direct neighbors SK&CN.

JP is the cute little anime nation in the eyes of whities. But between JP and the ASEANS there is stil lots of hatred & dislike going on. Whities just dont sense this emotions cos ppl keep this to themselves.
Only the Koreans/Chinese r freak out enough to openly show their dislike for JP, while the rest just hide their dislikes much better and deeper.

If u r white, ur skin colour is reason enough to keep the mouth of most asean ppl shut regarding what they really feel.

Not even mentioning the Taiwan, Tibet, Senkakus Conflicts.

l-a-m-e

but typical for for such country-folk

Actually, China is claiming the HISTORIACAL land of Korea(Goryeo ~920) which now de facto is Chinas territory. China is NOT claiming the current NK+SK territory.
On the other hand, Korea is claiming that the current chinese territory (North China, Manchuria, 80% Han population) belongs to Korea cos it was korean some 1000 years ago.

Now to Takeshima / Dokdo:

Lots whities think Dokdo r just tiny shitty rocks.

Now, the truth is :

The area disputed between SK/Japan & Japan/China is supposed to be full of natural recources like oil/gas just waiting to get dig out.
Japan is claiming the islands cos through that method, Japan can strech its see border far far beyond what it normally would own due to international law. By stretching its see border into its neighboring country, it can plunder the recources to its maximum.
Japan is not the peaceloving big eyed victim its portraying itself. Its doing what the US is doing, securing recource rich area.
In the case of Korea, Korea is not as nealy frightening as China, so Japan does not gives much what Korea wants.

It’s easy to image what the kind of people will do in war.
Both of us deserve each other!!!!! WWWWW

http://ime.nu/image.moneytoday.co.kr/extern/2008/07/2008071718190781431_1.jpg
http://ime.nu/image.moneytoday.co.kr/extern/2008/07/2008071718323533247_1.jpg
http://ime.nu/www.moneytoday.co.kr/view/mtview.php?type=1&no=2008071718190781431

there must be something fundamentally wrong that the Korean government wants the Korean people to be distracted from.

Maybe gas prices? Energy prices? Economic slowdown?
Just inflame nationalist passions and all the protests end up being against them damn foreigners rather than the Korean government.

Koreans are a bunch of thick-skulled stoogers even more racist than Japanese people.

DJ dice “Dokdo es una parte de Corea.” Bien.

While in French or Spanish ‘Corea’ is fine, In English we spell Korea with a ‘K’.

I am very worried for the mental health of these people. Dokdo/Takeshima are rocks, people. Rocks. Share the fishing around them.

After Dokdo loses its steam again, they’ll jump back into demanding apologies for comfort women, and when that loses its steam, they’ll jump back into History textbooks, and continue the cycle.

Never mind, within 50 years China will rule the whole region anyway as they beleive that Korea is as much a part of China as Tibet is.