Comments on: Japan’s Suicide Rate http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/ Japan News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:55:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: mermaid http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-380832 mermaid Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:31:49 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-380832 The reason why so many of us kill ourselves is that we have no idea as to what we want for ourselves. everything in life is just doing what is expected of us and never stopping because its bad. We must 'gaman' and we go crazy because of it. there is no hope... so we see nothing for us. The reason why so many of us kill ourselves is that we have no idea as to what we want for ourselves. everything in life is just doing what is expected of us and never stopping because its bad. We must ‘gaman’ and we go crazy because of it. there is no hope… so we see nothing for us.

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]]> By: היתוך קר למפגרים » ארכיון הבלוג » היה שלום, עולם אכזר (עכשיו זוזואותמותו!) http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-167434 היתוך קר למפגרים » ארכיון הבלוג » היה שלום, עולם אכזר (עכשיו זוזואותמותו!) Thu, 08 May 2008 12:16:38 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-167434 [...] כל כך מנומסים ומתחשבים, שגם כשהם מתאבדים (שזה דווקא קטע נפוץ אצלם), במקום להשאיר אחריהם מכתב התאבדות סטנדרטי ככל העמים, [...] [...] כל כך מנומסים ומתחשבים, שגם כשהם מתאבדים (שזה דווקא קטע נפוץ אצלם), במקום להשאיר אחריהם מכתב התאבדות סטנדרטי ככל העמים, [...]

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]]> By: the overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-167292 the overthinker Thu, 08 May 2008 01:45:01 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-167292 Hell, I know some who changed jobs and weren't even university graduates, new or not.... Hell, I know some who changed jobs and weren’t even university graduates, new or not….

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]]> By: Irene http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-167283 Irene Thu, 08 May 2008 01:30:01 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-167283 oo ya i'm just graduating next month from american university. so i guess 転職 is a bit different situation.. oo ya i’m just graduating next month from american university. so i guess 転職 is a bit different situation..

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]]> By: Nauris http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-167021 Nauris Wed, 07 May 2008 08:38:04 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-167021 Hey,You can always move to some other country and this way change the statistics here in Finland. Kukaan ei pakota sinua asumaan täällä. Hey,You can always move to some other country and this way change the statistics here in Finland.

Kukaan ei pakota sinua asumaan täällä.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-167002 James Wed, 07 May 2008 05:55:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-167002 What work are you trying to find? I have friends who have changed employers several times, and they were not new university graduates when they applied for their current jobs. What work are you trying to find? I have friends who have changed employers several times, and they were not new university graduates when they applied for their current jobs.

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]]> By: Irene http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166999 Irene Wed, 07 May 2008 05:41:12 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166999 well, isn't it correct? cuz i'm trying to find a work in japan and it seems it'd be heard to find a job if i don't find it right away. i saw that on japanese wikipedia also. well, isn’t it correct? cuz i’m trying to find a work in japan and it seems it’d be heard to find a job if i don’t find it right away. i saw that on japanese wikipedia also.

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]]> By: the overthinker http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166988 the overthinker Wed, 07 May 2008 04:40:36 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166988 "I was stunned recently to learn that in Japan, companies only hire newly-graduated people（新卒）. So that means, if you don’t find a job during your last year in college, your life is doomed." Like much information about Japan floating around, this is at best exaggerated, at worst just wrong. “I was stunned recently to learn that in Japan, companies only hire newly-graduated people（新卒）. So that means, if you don’t find a job during your last year in college, your life is doomed.”

Like much information about Japan floating around, this is at best exaggerated, at worst just wrong.

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]]> By: Irene http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166945 Irene Wed, 07 May 2008 00:54:55 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166945 I was stunned recently to learn that in Japan, companies only hire newly-graduated people（新卒）. So that means, if you don't find a job during your last year in college, your life is doomed. And they have a strict distinction between full-time and part-time employees. Stupid.. And they never change this tradition because they think it'd be unfair for the people who have gone through this. I was stunned recently to learn that in Japan, companies only hire newly-graduated people（新卒）. So that means, if you don’t find a job during your last year in college, your life is doomed. And they have a strict distinction between full-time and part-time employees. Stupid.. And they never change this tradition because they think it’d be unfair for the people who have gone through this.

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]]> By: marinaliteyears http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166755 marinaliteyears Tue, 06 May 2008 09:43:15 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166755 I know, France seems like a great place to live in . I wonder why they're after Japan on the chart. I know, France seems like a great place to live in .
I wonder why they’re after Japan on the chart.

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]]> By: morningstar http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166659 morningstar Tue, 06 May 2008 02:03:54 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166659 WHY are so many Japanese taking their lives.? Please not one more wasted lives. Japanese our ancestor went through so much . Very sad to hear even one taking their live. WHY are so many Japanese taking their lives.? Please not one more wasted lives. Japanese our ancestor went through so much . Very sad to hear even one taking their live.

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]]> By: Rip http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-/#comment-166652 Rip Tue, 06 May 2008 01:08:26 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166652 Well John, thank you for that brilliant and highly relevant statistical analysis of James' mathematical estimate! I'm sure it will be duly noted when James decides to submit a paper on Japan's national suicide rate to the International Journal of Social Psychiatry for peer review. Until then, his rough estimate will do just fine. Well John, thank you for that brilliant and highly relevant statistical analysis of James’ mathematical estimate! I’m sure it will be duly noted when James decides to submit a paper on Japan’s national suicide rate to the International Journal of Social Psychiatry for peer review.

Until then, his rough estimate will do just fine.

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]]> By: Xacur http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166641 Xacur Tue, 06 May 2008 00:23:14 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166641 What??!! Finland? But it seems to be a great place to live! I can't believe it. What??!! Finland?
But it seems to be a great place to live!
I can’t believe it.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-/#comment-166612 James Mon, 05 May 2008 22:31:07 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166612 <blockquote>It has 28.2, male, and 9.7 female, per 100,000.</blockquote> That looks like it would make an overall rate of under 20 suicides per 100,000 people. Estimate the overall rates for the other countries and you'll find that the Economist's graph could be representing the exact same data.

It has 28.2, male, and 9.7 female, per 100,000.

That looks like it would make an overall rate of under 20 suicides per 100,000 people.

Estimate the overall rates for the other countries and you’ll find that the Economist’s graph could be representing the exact same data.

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]]> By: parkmount http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166591 parkmount Mon, 05 May 2008 20:00:48 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166591 I think the suicide rate still remains high in Japan even since 2002. Looking into the near past history of Japan, the political and social climate in Japan has been fairly negative combined with poor economy performance by comparison. That is creating overall environment that makes younger people in particular feel helpless or no escape from 'closed-in'. Even recently, I see in the news a few cases of suicides using poison gas from mixing of shampoo and some bath chemicals. What's happening in Japan doesn't have much to do with their moral booster nowadays. I think the suicide rate still remains high in Japan even since 2002. Looking into the near past history of Japan, the political and social climate in Japan has been fairly negative combined with poor economy performance by comparison. That is creating overall environment that makes younger people in particular feel helpless or no escape from ‘closed-in’. Even recently, I see in the news a few cases of suicides using poison gas from mixing of shampoo and some bath chemicals. What’s happening in Japan doesn’t have much to do with their moral booster nowadays.

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]]> By: doinkies http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166576 doinkies Mon, 05 May 2008 17:47:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166576 Yeah, most of the people who commit suicide nowadays do it because they're depressed, not because they think it's honorable. Yeah, most of the people who commit suicide nowadays do it because they’re depressed, not because they think it’s honorable.

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]]> By: VonSkippy http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166574 VonSkippy Mon, 05 May 2008 17:09:39 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166574 Who cares. Who better then that person to decide if they want to end their own life (or not). Too bad about 3 billion more people don't think that way so the world wouldn't be heading for a resource war in the future. Who cares. Who better then that person to decide if they want to end their own life (or not).

Too bad about 3 billion more people don’t think that way so the world wouldn’t be heading for a resource war in the future.

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]]> By: mortonsalt http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-/#comment-166571 mortonsalt Mon, 05 May 2008 16:56:38 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166571 it's because of all the black metal. it’s because of all the black metal.

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]]> By: feitclub http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166440 feitclub Mon, 05 May 2008 12:06:32 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166440 I'd say a major factor in Japan's suicide rate is the relative suspicion towards psychiatry and the notion of depression as a disease. Throw in a little "gaman" nonsense and I'm not surprised by the number of suicides in this country. I’d say a major factor in Japan’s suicide rate is the relative suspicion towards psychiatry and the notion of depression as a disease. Throw in a little “gaman” nonsense and I’m not surprised by the number of suicides in this country.

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]]> By: Greippi1 http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166433 Greippi1 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:38:50 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166433 WOHOO go Finland go! God I hate this country. The reason why we finns do so much suicides is mainly cos we drink too much and this a dark and rubbish country. We just take a shotgun and shoot our brains to the ceiling, not even very dignified. WOHOO go Finland go! God I hate this country. The reason why we finns do so much suicides is mainly cos we drink too much and this a dark and rubbish country. We just take a shotgun and shoot our brains to the ceiling, not even very dignified.

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]]> By: Level3 http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166430 Level3 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:03:03 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166430 Read a front page article in the Yomiuri a couple weeks ago to the effect that a mere 10% of the around 25,000 "deaths under suspicious circumstances" are given clinical autopsies to discover the actual cause of death, due to a shortage of funds and doctors. The article didn't go into how the remaining 90% of deaths go down in the record books. Sure, probably many of them were strokes, or accidents, who knows? And there are lots of anecdotes about lazy police leaving every stone unturned because "suicide" is a lot easier, and better for crime stats, than a murder. But no statistics, how can one get accurate crime statistics when the cops are so reluctant to record any crime (unless a foreigner is named as a suspect) Not all "suicides" in Japan are suicides. Read a front page article in the Yomiuri a couple weeks ago to the effect that a mere 10% of the around 25,000 “deaths under suspicious circumstances” are given clinical autopsies to discover the actual cause of death, due to a shortage of funds and doctors.

The article didn’t go into how the remaining 90% of deaths go down in the record books. Sure, probably many of them were strokes, or accidents, who knows?

And there are lots of anecdotes about lazy police leaving every stone unturned because “suicide” is a lot easier, and better for crime stats, than a murder.
But no statistics, how can one get accurate crime statistics when the cops are so reluctant to record any crime (unless a foreigner is named as a suspect)

Not all “suicides” in Japan are suicides.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-/#comment-166425 James Mon, 05 May 2008 10:47:02 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166425 <blockquote>The graph from OECD; which is lists as 2002, has Japan at almost 30, rather than almost 20, </blockquote> You're only looking at the numbers for men.

The graph from OECD; which is lists as 2002, has Japan at almost 30, rather than almost 20,

You’re only looking at the numbers for men.

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]]> By: James http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-/#comment-166411 James Mon, 05 May 2008 10:19:06 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166411 The Economist does not specify what year's data the graph is based on. It only says it is from the OECD. The 2002 graph, which was released in 2005 by the OECD, was something I quickly found on a Google search. It may or may not be the same year as the data used in the Economist's graph, but the suicide rate probably hasn't changed much in the last couple years. The Economist does not specify what year’s data the graph is based on. It only says it is from the OECD.

The 2002 graph, which was released in 2005 by the OECD, was something I quickly found on a Google search. It may or may not be the same year as the data used in the Economist’s graph, but the suicide rate probably hasn’t changed much in the last couple years.

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]]> By: Alex http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/05/japans-suicide-rate/comment-page-1/#comment-166394 Alex Mon, 05 May 2008 09:05:23 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4499#comment-166394 Like I hit on before, it's not necessarily as big of a problem as the media plays it up to be. Japan is 84th ranked on a list by crude death rate, below Russia [18th], Germany [51st], Italy [53rd], Sweden [58th], the UK [66th], and nearly the same as France [86th] and the US [96th]. And, again - I'm more afraid of homicide than I am of suicide! The article is also disturbingly presented as a typical "Shogun" in the Western media. In modern Japan, suicide has nothing to do with samurai. It's not that romantic. And it's definitely not encouraged - That's an outrageous claim to make. Society simply can't come to terms with the idea that depression is an actual illness that needs medical treatment. The average person may not feel comfortable participating in an intervention. Like I hit on before, it’s not necessarily as big of a problem as the media plays it up to be. Japan is 84th ranked on a list by crude death rate, below Russia [18th], Germany [51st], Italy [53rd], Sweden [58th], the UK [66th], and nearly the same as France [86th] and the US [96th].

And, again – I’m more afraid of homicide than I am of suicide!

The article is also disturbingly presented as a typical “Shogun” in the Western media. In modern Japan, suicide has nothing to do with samurai. It’s not that romantic. And it’s definitely not encouraged – That’s an outrageous claim to make. Society simply can’t come to terms with the idea that depression is an actual illness that needs medical treatment. The average person may not feel comfortable participating in an intervention.

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