Comments on: Fingerprinting & Illegal Immigration in Japan http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/ Japan News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ... http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-107238 ... Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:48:06 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-107238 I don't know but it's sounding too sick to me. But I agree that illegal entry it's a big offense to the dignity of local people. That involves fake marriages, taking advantage of privileges of others, irresponsibilities to their own countries. In short they are "parasites". I don’t know but it’s sounding too sick to me. But I agree that illegal entry it’s a big offense to the dignity of local people. That involves fake marriages, taking advantage of privileges of others, irresponsibilities to their own countries. In short they are “parasites”.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-107061 Jeff Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:44:52 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-107061 Color me stupid, but I really don't understand how this is going to reduce illegal immigration, over-stayers or terrorists. You need a database of fingerprints to compare against for this to work. Illegal immigrants - they would need to be on record and arrested once for this to work. In the US this would make more sense (I'm against our program too, though) as repeat cases are not unusual, and it is relatively cheap and easy (I said relatively!) to try again. Are there many repeat offenders of this nature in Japan? I guess I have no idea. Over-stayers - pretty much same as above; you have to catch them IN the country, afterwards they can't come back anyway, so are illegals. Terrorists - uhm, yeah. Where are we collecting all the fingerprints of the low-level operatives that show up to plant the bomb? Medium-level planners, perhaps. =============================================== Assuming for a moment that their reasons are on the up-and-up, will this even work? what am I not seeing? Color me stupid, but I really don’t understand how this is going to reduce illegal immigration, over-stayers or terrorists.

You need a database of fingerprints to compare against for this to work.

Illegal immigrants – they would need to be on record and arrested once for this to work. In the US this would make more sense (I’m against our program too, though) as repeat cases are not unusual, and it is relatively cheap and easy (I said relatively!) to try again. Are there many repeat offenders of this nature in Japan? I guess I have no idea.

Over-stayers – pretty much same as above; you have to catch them IN the country, afterwards they can’t come back anyway, so are illegals.

Terrorists – uhm, yeah. Where are we collecting all the fingerprints of the low-level operatives that show up to plant the bomb? Medium-level planners, perhaps.

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Assuming for a moment that their reasons are on the up-and-up, will this even work? what am I not seeing?

]]> By: Eleni Strongili http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-107048 Eleni Strongili Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:31:18 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-107048 Would it be possible to let me know when and on what channel the report on the Iranian guy was shown on TV?? I think in the subtitles he claims that people from all over the world come to Japan to work, not only himself and not only Iranians. I would really appreciate it if you could let me know the channel. Thank you very much. Eleni Would it be possible to let me know when and on what channel the report on the Iranian guy was shown on TV??

I think in the subtitles he claims that people from all over the world come to Japan to work, not only himself and not only Iranians.

I would really appreciate it if you could let me know the channel.

Thank you very much.

Eleni

]]> By: D-san http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106962 D-san Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:01:30 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106962 Hmmm... You have a point there. Hmmm… You have a point there.

]]> By: Dameee! http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106959 Dameee! Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:43:04 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106959 What bothers me with databases like this is that I can "get caught" for something I didn't do. Maybe I just happened to pass by an area before or after a crime was commited, and put my fingerprints somewhere at that location, just from a database scan I can now easily be linked to something I didn't do. I guess I could just walk around with gloves all the time though, but I won't, I will never visit Japan because of this "guilty until proven innoncent"-nazi style databases. What bothers me with databases like this is that I can “get caught” for something I didn’t do. Maybe I just happened to pass by an area before or after a crime was commited, and put my fingerprints somewhere at that location, just from a database scan I can now easily be linked to something I didn’t do. I guess I could just walk around with gloves all the time though, but I won’t, I will never visit Japan because of this “guilty until proven innoncent”-nazi style databases.

]]> By: Illegal Immigrants Reason for Fingerprinting non-Japanese « LongCountdown.com http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106842 Illegal Immigrants Reason for Fingerprinting non-Japanese « LongCountdown.com Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:07:22 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106842 [...] of preventing “terror, etc.” What exactly is that “etcetera”? Well, on the program I watched this morning, they went on to talk about Japan’s illegal immigration problem, citing last year as the [...] [...] of preventing “terror, etc.” What exactly is that “etcetera”? Well, on the program I watched this morning, they went on to talk about Japan’s illegal immigration problem, citing last year as the [...]

]]> By: Guy Smiley http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106816 Guy Smiley Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:46 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106816 Peter Pan has it almost right. The irony is the answer's staring him in the face. "If it’s about stopping over-stayers, then all foreigners should be checked" he says. Ah yes, this makes perfect sense, because there are no foreigners who have permanent residence. Oh, wait... Same goes for new laws asking employers to report the status of all foreigners working for them. Either one is a sledgehammer approach to a minor issue, and one that only succeeds in tarring the entire community as potential troublemakers, regardless of legal status. Peter Pan has it almost right. The irony is the answer’s staring him in the face.
“If it’s about stopping over-stayers, then all foreigners should be checked” he says.
Ah yes, this makes perfect sense, because there are no foreigners who have permanent residence. Oh, wait…
Same goes for new laws asking employers to report the status of all foreigners working for them.
Either one is a sledgehammer approach to a minor issue, and one that only succeeds in tarring the entire community as potential troublemakers, regardless of legal status.

]]> By: Peter Pan http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106801 Peter Pan Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:55:01 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106801 I liked the guy at the ends comment. "If this is going to work, we should do it to everyone, including long-term residents." He was probably talking about Koreans, but he forgot to say 'special' long-term residents. If it's about stopping over-stayers, then all foreigners should be checked. If it's about stopping crime, then all people should be checked, including Japanese people. However since neither are happening I have to assume it's about stopping crime and over-stayers to a certain extent, but not working too hard because that would be too much work (and illegal to fingerprint Japanese citizens). I wouldn't have a problem with it if everyone, including Japanese citizens was fingerprinted, but since that's not the case, it bothers me because they just take fingerprints from whomever they can, regardless of having a good reason or not. I liked the guy at the ends comment.

“If this is going to work, we should do it to everyone, including long-term residents.”

He was probably talking about Koreans, but he forgot to say ‘special’ long-term residents.

If it’s about stopping over-stayers, then all foreigners should be checked. If it’s about stopping crime, then all people should be checked, including Japanese people. However since neither are happening I have to assume it’s about stopping crime and over-stayers to a certain extent, but not working too hard because that would be too much work (and illegal to fingerprint Japanese citizens).

I wouldn’t have a problem with it if everyone, including Japanese citizens was fingerprinted, but since that’s not the case, it bothers me because they just take fingerprints from whomever they can, regardless of having a good reason or not.

]]> By: Rob http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106787 Rob Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:43:55 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106787 "The real goal of the new immigration system is:" - to follow in America's increasingly retarded and paranoid footsteps. Or to somehow combine the terrorism-fear nonsense of America with the foreigner-fear nonsense of Japan. Just makes me sad for Japan, really. “The real goal of the new immigration system is:” – to follow in America’s increasingly retarded and paranoid footsteps.

Or to somehow combine the terrorism-fear nonsense of America with the foreigner-fear nonsense of Japan.

Just makes me sad for Japan, really.

]]> By: Nick Ramsay http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106766 Nick Ramsay Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:39:44 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106766 Yep, I saw that broadcast and was amazed. They should be celebrating so few illegal immigrants, not saying there are too many. Read my comparison with other countries <a href="http://www.longcountdown.com/2007/11/24/illegal-immigrants-reason-for-fingerprinting-non-japanese/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Yep, I saw that broadcast and was amazed. They should be celebrating so few illegal immigrants, not saying there are too many. Read my comparison with other countries here.

]]> By: Turner http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/11/26/fingerprinting-illegal-immigration-in-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-106754 Turner Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:40:24 +0000 http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3233#comment-106754 The real goal? None of the above. I think it is a blantant attempt to reduce the number of foreigners entering Japan. The real goal? None of the above. I think it is a blantant attempt to reduce the number of foreigners entering Japan.

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