Actually Koreans TV doesn’t bash Japanese like this. They bash the racist politicians, academics or history stuff but not normal people. I’m pretty shocked Japan would air something like this.

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Actually Koreans TV doesn’t bash Japanese like this. They bash the racist politicians, academics or history stuff but not normal people. I’m pretty shocked Japan would air something like this.

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Thanks for the comment, melonbarmonster. Could you provide me with some links or videos of Korea tv reports that are positive or negative towards Japanese people? I would love to use them for an update.

Thanks for the comment, melonbarmonster. Could you provide me with some links or videos of Korea tv reports that are positive or negative towards Japanese people? I would love to use them for an update.

I don’t have any links. I live in NYC and catch korean tv on cable. Haven’t come across anything where the media portrays Japan, or any specific nationality for that matter, in a bad light outside of the historical/political context. And about the positive things, Korean TV constantly show Japan in a good light by showcasing cultural, social customs, etc.. Different shows will do segments in Japan, etc.. By the way in that clip, the Korean fishermen were chumming with bait. From what I could gather it doesn’t seem like chumming is illegal, right? Can’t imagine it being illegal since fishermen in the US and all over the world do it all the time. Seems a bit unfair to approach the guy fishing to put him on the spot and the dude got pissed and said he will never come again.

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I don’t have any links. I live in NYC and catch korean tv on cable. Haven’t come across anything where the media portrays Japan, or any specific nationality for that matter, in a bad light outside of the historical/political context. And about the positive things, Korean TV constantly show Japan in a good light by showcasing cultural, social customs, etc.. Different shows will do segments in Japan, etc.. By the way in that clip, the Korean fishermen were chumming with bait. From what I could gather it doesn’t seem like chumming is illegal, right? Can’t imagine it being illegal since fishermen in the US and all over the world do it all the time. Seems a bit unfair to approach the guy fishing to put him on the spot and the dude got pissed and said he will never come again.

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James,

I found your blog through Occidentalism. You have a pretty cool blog. I like it a lot. Keep up the good work.

Unlike melonbarmonster, I have seen South Korean TV shows that bash Japan and Japanese people. The chief offender in the two cases I can recall was Arriang TV. In hindsight, this really wasn’t too much of a surprise since Arriang TV is basically a propaganda tool of the South Korean government. I’m sure that the folks over at Arriang TV would like to think that they are like the BBC, but they aren’t even close. After all, the main purpose of Arriang TV is to ensure that people in foreign countries have a favorable opinion of South Korea.

The first instance of Japan bashing was a documentary about the whole Liancourt Rocks mess. The reporters from Arriang TV “interviewed” two students apparently majoring in History at the University of Shimane. Of course, they were fairly clueless about the history of the Liancourt Rocks. One could say the students almost were almost sympathetic towards the South Korean viewpoints. The reporters also interviewed the head of the Japanese Christian Church here in Seoul. Of course, all he talked about was Japan’s “aggression” towards Korea and how Japanese people should be ashamed and repent. (The same old diatribes against Japan, except this time it is a Japanese person living in Korea saying them.) The reporters then interviewed a Japanese historian somewhere in Shimane Prefecture (I think he was an instructor at the university.). The historian offered some really good, unbiased, and objective history about the Liancourt Rocks. If my memory is correct, the historian really didn’t say who the rocks belonged to, just that there have been numerous claims of ownership and confusion as to whom the rocks belonged to.

The finale of the documentary was really brilliant propaganda. Arriang TV intercut footage of the JSDF on training maneuvers with footage of the Imperial Army from World War II. (Oh, how scary!!!) The narration ended with some more propaganda about how the Liancourt Rocks were interlinked with revising Japan’s constitution (Article 9, of course), “rising” nationalism and “militarism”, and PM Koizumi’s visits to Yasukuni Shrine. President Noh couldn’t have wished for any better propaganda.

The other program that Arriang TV broadcast that incessantly bashed Japan was about zainichi. Now, the zainichi are a fascinating subject. Quite a few famous, and not-so-famous, people in Japan were of Korean descent. Admittedly, I only saw about the last 20 minutes or so of the program; however, what I did see had a huge anti-Japanese bias. There was nothing about how sometimes the zainichi are to blame for some of their problems or how some zainichi have become quite successful in Japan, such as Masayoshi Son.

So, there you go. I’ve probably seen plenty more, but, in my four years of living here, I gave up watching South Korean TV after all of the constant anti-American and anti-Japanese hate that gets broadcasted here. That is a fact. As for the shows that melonbarmonster has seen, I don’t really know. What I can say is that the South Korean media have two themes when it comes to Japan. On the one hand, they just love to bash the living hell out of Japan. On the other, they just love to show how “popular” everything Korean is in Japan. Occidentalism had a great series of posts about that subject.

Chris
Yongsan Garrison
Seoul, South Korea

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James,

I found your blog through Occidentalism. You have a pretty cool blog. I like it a lot. Keep up the good work.

Unlike melonbarmonster, I have seen South Korean TV shows that bash Japan and Japanese people. The chief offender in the two cases I can recall was Arriang TV. In hindsight, this really wasn’t too much of a surprise since Arriang TV is basically a propaganda tool of the South Korean government. I’m sure that the folks over at Arriang TV would like to think that they are like the BBC, but they aren’t even close. After all, the main purpose of Arriang TV is to ensure that people in foreign countries have a favorable opinion of South Korea.

The first instance of Japan bashing was a documentary about the whole Liancourt Rocks mess. The reporters from Arriang TV “interviewed” two students apparently majoring in History at the University of Shimane. Of course, they were fairly clueless about the history of the Liancourt Rocks. One could say the students almost were almost sympathetic towards the South Korean viewpoints. The reporters also interviewed the head of the Japanese Christian Church here in Seoul. Of course, all he talked about was Japan’s “aggression” towards Korea and how Japanese people should be ashamed and repent. (The same old diatribes against Japan, except this time it is a Japanese person living in Korea saying them.) The reporters then interviewed a Japanese historian somewhere in Shimane Prefecture (I think he was an instructor at the university.). The historian offered some really good, unbiased, and objective history about the Liancourt Rocks. If my memory is correct, the historian really didn’t say who the rocks belonged to, just that there have been numerous claims of ownership and confusion as to whom the rocks belonged to.

The finale of the documentary was really brilliant propaganda. Arriang TV intercut footage of the JSDF on training maneuvers with footage of the Imperial Army from World War II. (Oh, how scary!!!) The narration ended with some more propaganda about how the Liancourt Rocks were interlinked with revising Japan’s constitution (Article 9, of course), “rising” nationalism and “militarism”, and PM Koizumi’s visits to Yasukuni Shrine. President Noh couldn’t have wished for any better propaganda.

The other program that Arriang TV broadcast that incessantly bashed Japan was about zainichi. Now, the zainichi are a fascinating subject. Quite a few famous, and not-so-famous, people in Japan were of Korean descent. Admittedly, I only saw about the last 20 minutes or so of the program; however, what I did see had a huge anti-Japanese bias. There was nothing about how sometimes the zainichi are to blame for some of their problems or how some zainichi have become quite successful in Japan, such as Masayoshi Son.

So, there you go. I’ve probably seen plenty more, but, in my four years of living here, I gave up watching South Korean TV after all of the constant anti-American and anti-Japanese hate that gets broadcasted here. That is a fact. As for the shows that melonbarmonster has seen, I don’t really know. What I can say is that the South Korean media have two themes when it comes to Japan. On the one hand, they just love to bash the living hell out of Japan. On the other, they just love to show how “popular” everything Korean is in Japan. Occidentalism had a great series of posts about that subject.

Chris
Yongsan Garrison
Seoul, South Korea

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It seems our our biased US military jughead Chris isn’t too keen on reading comprehension. I specifically excluded political/historical material from my previous post given the subject of the video in question and given the context of history/politics between Korea and Japan. You’d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries. Good grief.

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It seems our our biased US military jughead Chris isn’t too keen on reading comprehension. I specifically excluded political/historical material from my previous post given the subject of the video in question and given the context of history/politics between Korea and Japan. You’d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries. Good grief.

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Melonbarmonster,

What’s wrong, didn’t like my examples to share?

You called me a “biased US military jughead”.

That’s pretty damn insulting in my book. In addition, that’s pretty damn ignorant as well. I have been stationed here at Yongsan Garrison, Seoul, South Korea, for the past four years and four months. I have traveled quite extensively around South Korea in those four plus years. In my book, that’s certainly more experience with South Korea, South Koreans, and South Korean culture than someone who sits at home in NYC and watches “Korean TV on cable”.

How about I pre-judge you? Let me guess. You are just another draft dodging kyopo hiding behind your US passport. You’re an American simply because you were a so-called parachute baby (a Korean born in the US, so they can dodge the draft). Just another reason why the US government should stop giving automatic citizenship to people born in the US. Am I right? Didn’t feel so good did it?

“Koreans don’t bash Japanse like this.”

Like hell they don’t. Name some programs that you have seen in which the Korean media hasn’t bashed Japanese people, or any other country for that matter. Give some specific examples.

In the four years I’ve been in South Korea, the South Korean media (TV, film, and print) go out of their way to bash other countries, specifically the two countries Koreans just love to hate. (No prizes for guessing what two countries they are.) I sure that there is a difference in programming that the Korean stations are broadcasting: One set of programs for the domestic Korean audience (anti-US, anti-Japan) and another set propaganda for the international audience.

Just as an aside, melonbarmonster, an elderly Korean man told me to f*** off last night as I had patrol duty in Itaewon. It took a lot of pride not to hit that man in the face. Should that happen again the next time I have patrol duty, I won’t hold back.

Keep on watching Korean TV…

Chris
Yongsan Garrison
Seoul

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Melonbarmonster,

What’s wrong, didn’t like my examples to share?

You called me a “biased US military jughead”.

That’s pretty damn insulting in my book. In addition, that’s pretty damn ignorant as well. I have been stationed here at Yongsan Garrison, Seoul, South Korea, for the past four years and four months. I have traveled quite extensively around South Korea in those four plus years. In my book, that’s certainly more experience with South Korea, South Koreans, and South Korean culture than someone who sits at home in NYC and watches “Korean TV on cable”.

How about I pre-judge you? Let me guess. You are just another draft dodging kyopo hiding behind your US passport. You’re an American simply because you were a so-called parachute baby (a Korean born in the US, so they can dodge the draft). Just another reason why the US government should stop giving automatic citizenship to people born in the US. Am I right? Didn’t feel so good did it?

“Koreans don’t bash Japanse like this.”

Like hell they don’t. Name some programs that you have seen in which the Korean media hasn’t bashed Japanese people, or any other country for that matter. Give some specific examples.

In the four years I’ve been in South Korea, the South Korean media (TV, film, and print) go out of their way to bash other countries, specifically the two countries Koreans just love to hate. (No prizes for guessing what two countries they are.) I sure that there is a difference in programming that the Korean stations are broadcasting: One set of programs for the domestic Korean audience (anti-US, anti-Japan) and another set propaganda for the international audience.

Just as an aside, melonbarmonster, an elderly Korean man told me to f*** off last night as I had patrol duty in Itaewon. It took a lot of pride not to hit that man in the face. Should that happen again the next time I have patrol duty, I won’t hold back.

Keep on watching Korean TV…

Chris
Yongsan Garrison
Seoul

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It seems to me, melonbarmonster, that you have now been asked twice to provide some sort of evidence or a source for your claim that:

Actually Koreans TV doesn’t bash Japanese like this.

Instead of providing anything of substance to your claim, you have resorted to logical fallacies for your arguments.

Ad Hominem Attack:

It seems our our biased US military jughead Chris isn’t too keen on reading comprehension.

Begging the Question:

I specifically excluded political/historical material from my previous post given the subject of the video in question and given the context of history/politics between Korea and Japan.

Red Herring:

You’d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries.

I suggest you try being more rational. So far, you have lost the argument.

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It seems to me, melonbarmonster, that you have now been asked twice to provide some sort of evidence or a source for your claim that:

Actually Koreans TV doesn�t bash Japanese like this.

Instead of providing anything of substance to your claim, you have resorted to logical fallacies for your arguments.

Ad Hominem Attack:

It seems our our biased US military jughead Chris isn�t too keen on reading comprehension.

Begging the Question:

I specifically excluded political/historical material from my previous post given the subject of the video in question and given the context of history/politics between Korea and Japan.

Red Herring:

You�d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries.

I suggest you try being more rational. So far, you have lost the argument.

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Let me address the substantive topic of this video first. I made it clear from my first post that the this video is alarming because it’s derisive toward Koreans apart from the historical and political context. There are plenty of Korean tv shows and news programs that will lambast Japanese in political and historical context as I’ve already stated. That’s not surprising and isn’t the point of contention. I was merely pointing out that you seemed to be lost on this point since EVERY example you gave in your first and last post was regarding politics/history. Let me restate for clarity’s sake that I’ve NEVER come across any Korean TV show or material that bashed Japan or any other nationality based on a racist behavioral stereotype. If you’ve come across Korean TV(are you even fluent?) programs that bash Japan outside of the political/historical context, please let us all know.

As for your obvious personal bitterness and issues about serving in Korea and whatnot, you really need to try to tone it down a bit because it makes you sound like you need therapy or something and I don’t mean that facetiously. And I know you were trying to be insulting rather than make a serious point with your “presumptions”, but you do realize that most Americans fit your “presumptions” within a few generations? For whatever it’s worth I’m not draft-dodging(concerned about possible US draft rather than Korean draft), wasn’t a parachute baby, etc.. I’m just from an immigrant family and grew up in New England..

About that old man, dude you’re a freakin soldier. So some old korean man curses you out while you were carrying out your duties in an official capacity. Good grief, cry me a river. I’ve been cursed at and insulted plenty of times by old women, kids, men for being asian in all sorts of places. I have KA friends who did their time in Iraq and had more than curses to deal with. Even I’ve had children, old ladies, men curse and insult me because I’m asian. No big deal.

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Let me address the substantive topic of this video first. I made it clear from my first post that the this video is alarming because it’s derisive toward Koreans apart from the historical and political context. There are plenty of Korean tv shows and news programs that will lambast Japanese in political and historical context as I’ve already stated. That’s not surprising and isn’t the point of contention. I was merely pointing out that you seemed to be lost on this point since EVERY example you gave in your first and last post was regarding politics/history. Let me restate for clarity’s sake that I’ve NEVER come across any Korean TV show or material that bashed Japan or any other nationality based on a racist behavioral stereotype. If you’ve come across Korean TV(are you even fluent?) programs that bash Japan outside of the political/historical context, please let us all know.

As for your obvious personal bitterness and issues about serving in Korea and whatnot, you really need to try to tone it down a bit because it makes you sound like you need therapy or something and I don’t mean that facetiously. And I know you were trying to be insulting rather than make a serious point with your “presumptions”, but you do realize that most Americans fit your “presumptions” within a few generations? For whatever it’s worth I’m not draft-dodging(concerned about possible US draft rather than Korean draft), wasn’t a parachute baby, etc.. I’m just from an immigrant family and grew up in New England..

About that old man, dude you’re a freakin soldier. So some old korean man curses you out while you were carrying out your duties in an official capacity. Good grief, cry me a river. I’ve been cursed at and insulted plenty of times by old women, kids, men for being asian in all sorts of places. I have KA friends who did their time in Iraq and had more than curses to deal with. Even I’ve had children, old ladies, men curse and insult me because I’m asian. No big deal.

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Hey Rip, congrats on your googling skills. LOL. Interestingly enough I was actually took logical reasoning in college and you got the ‘red herring’ and ‘begging the question’ wrong. Nice try though. btw, from what I do remember, logically speaking disagreeing with a proposition doesn’t require ‘proof’.

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Hey Rip, congrats on your googling skills. LOL. Interestingly enough I was actually took logical reasoning in college and you got the ‘red herring’ and ‘begging the question’ wrong. Nice try though. btw, from what I do remember, logically speaking disagreeing with a proposition doesn’t require ‘proof’.

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Sorry, you’re wrong. You made an assertion.

Actually Koreans TV doesn’t bash Japanese like this.

Now you must provide evidence to back this up. Which you don’t. You attempt to divert the argument with irrelevant statements, ie. a red herring.

You’d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries.

Also, your English is terrible.

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Sorry, you’re wrong. You made an assertion.

Actually Koreans TV doesn�t bash Japanese like this.

Now you must provide evidence to back this up. Which you don’t. You attempt to divert the argument with irrelevant statements, ie. a red herring.

You�d be hard pressed to find objectivity in either of the countries.

Also, your English is terrible.

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Also, you must be confused as to the context of what exactly is going on here. YOU were the one that opened the debate, YOU made the first presentation of an argument, so the burden of proof is on YOU.

The original post made by James is nothing more than a simple description of a video. At no point does James attempt to make an argument.

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Also, you must be confused as to the context of what exactly is going on here. YOU were the one that opened the debate, YOU made the first presentation of an argument, so the burden of proof is on YOU.

The original post made by James is nothing more than a simple description of a video. At no point does James attempt to make an argument.

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Do you even know what burden of proof means? LOL. Good grief. Why don’t you google yourself another response.

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Do you even know what burden of proof means? LOL. Good grief. Why don’t you google yourself another response.

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That marks the fourth time you have failed to prove your point. Thus, you have lost, and failed to convince anyone reading this thread.

Korean television is racist towards normal Japanese people, because you have not shown otherwise.

I’m curious why you think “googling” has some bearing on the terminology I use. Yes, I know what burden of proof means. Obviously, you do not.

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That marks the fourth time you have failed to prove your point. Thus, you have lost, and failed to convince anyone reading this thread.

Korean television is racist towards normal Japanese people, because you have not shown otherwise.

I’m curious why you think “googling” has some bearing on the terminology I use. Yes, I know what burden of proof means. Obviously, you do not.

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LOL. Well, it’s pretty amusing to me that you think you know what burden of proof means. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. By the way, what’s your position on this topic?

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LOL. Well, it’s pretty amusing to me that you think you know what burden of proof means. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. By the way, what’s your position on this topic?

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How would you even have the slightest inclination about my vocabulary?

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How would you even have the slightest inclination about my vocabulary?

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I’m pretty shocked about this myself, but really, people? YOU do know what Japan has done to Korea, right? They still carry the grudge and while it’s true, they should get over it, they’re not the only ones. JUST LOOK AT CHINA. You’re going to have lots Anti-Japanese sentiments there. My point is that’s it unfair how Japan is viewed in countries that ARE Anti-Japanese, but is it really different than what people of ALL kinds of races that don’t like the Japanese either? Basically, those that prejudice against them or DIFFERENT races for that matter.

You have to remember that Japan has done some cruel and fucked up things. It may have happend a long time ago, but some things are simply unforgettable and UNFORGIVEABLE for that matter too. Japan has ethnic issues too and you will meet people, LIKE ANOTHER DAMN country, that have this attitude of superiority because of being whatever nationality they are.

Yeah, why not mention that the Japanese can be equally racist and prejudice against Koreans, Chienese and etc… These articles always mention about different countries discriminating Japan but I never see anything that mentions the Japanese DISCRIMINATING different countries or races for that matter. China has and Korea have influence in Japan, but you will Japanese that are probably Anti-Chinese or Anti-Korean.

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I’m pretty shocked about this myself, but really, people? YOU do know what Japan has done to Korea, right? They still carry the grudge and while it’s true, they should get over it, they’re not the only ones. JUST LOOK AT CHINA. You’re going to have lots Anti-Japanese sentiments there. My point is that’s it unfair how Japan is viewed in countries that ARE Anti-Japanese, but is it really different than what people of ALL kinds of races that don’t like the Japanese either? Basically, those that prejudice against them or DIFFERENT races for that matter.

You have to remember that Japan has done some cruel and fucked up things. It may have happend a long time ago, but some things are simply unforgettable and UNFORGIVEABLE for that matter too. Japan has ethnic issues too and you will meet people, LIKE ANOTHER DAMN country, that have this attitude of superiority because of being whatever nationality they are.

Yeah, why not mention that the Japanese can be equally racist and prejudice against Koreans, Chienese and etc… These articles always mention about different countries discriminating Japan but I never see anything that mentions the Japanese DISCRIMINATING different countries or races for that matter. China has and Korea have influence in Japan, but you will Japanese that are probably Anti-Chinese or Anti-Korean.

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Forgive the long rant and countless grammar errors or vocab. English is not my strongest subject and the constant debate about Koreans being rude towards Japan and shit like that is so bothersome to me because they’re no different than people in all different countries that discriminate whatever country you come from or whatever nationality you are, INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM JAPAN.

Everybody discriminates some way or another. It doesn’t have to be ethnically or politically. It ranges from all kinds of crap.

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Forgive the long rant and countless grammar errors or vocab. English is not my strongest subject and the constant debate about Koreans being rude towards Japan and shit like that is so bothersome to me because they’re no different than people in all different countries that discriminate whatever country you come from or whatever nationality you are, INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM JAPAN.

Everybody discriminates some way or another. It doesn’t have to be ethnically or politically. It ranges from all kinds of crap.

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but I thought that Japan was orginally colonized by people traveling from the Korean penisula
doesn’t this make the japanese koreans?
didnt the emperor’s grandmother or great grandmother claim that she was part korean?

interesting how the japanese love rewriting history

must be tough be what you hate

hu hu hu

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but I thought that Japan was orginally colonized by people traveling from the Korean penisula
doesn’t this make the japanese koreans?
didnt the emperor’s grandmother or great grandmother claim that she was part korean?

interesting how the japanese love rewriting history

must be tough be what you hate

hu hu hu

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Kevin:
As I said in the original post, this news report can certainly be seen as an expression of Japanese racism against Koreans. I am in no way claiming that racism doesn’t exist in Japan, I’ve experienced it myself a few times. I am merely stating that anti-Korean feelings in Japan are nowhere close to anti-Japanese feelings in Korea.

The idea of holding grudges against entire nations or entire nationalities because of certain acts that happened over 60 years is stupid. The Japanese government certainly needs to be more clear about what happened in the war years, but that is no excuse for Koreans and Chinese people to hate the entire Japanese nation for eternity. People need to wake up and realize that nations should cooperate instead of hating eachother over historical grudges.

Kevin:
As I said in the original post, this news report can certainly be seen as an expression of Japanese racism against Koreans. I am in no way claiming that racism doesn’t exist in Japan, I’ve experienced it myself a few times. I am merely stating that anti-Korean feelings in Japan are nowhere close to anti-Japanese feelings in Korea.

The idea of holding grudges against entire nations or entire nationalities because of certain acts that happened over 60 years is stupid. The Japanese government certainly needs to be more clear about what happened in the war years, but that is no excuse for Koreans and Chinese people to hate the entire Japanese nation for eternity. People need to wake up and realize that nations should cooperate instead of hating eachother over historical grudges.

Very nice. Very rude indeed.

Perhaps the idea is that those peninsular colonials should be better behaved because Imperial Japan civilized them? Many Japanese expect Koreans to be just like them…

I’ve seen American tourists behave just as inappropriately, even though I’ve only visited Japan. Got any videos on them? TV stations obsessing with rude white people? Japanese kids using rude American gaijin behavior to feel better about killing barbarians in prison camps?

There’s just something about Korea that a very many Japanese can’t let go of. Is it a desire to alleviate collective historical guilt? Jealousy on the part of young Japanese men because of Yonsama ( I don’t recall seeing stuff like this in Japan before him, but you’d know better than I)?

I really feel sorry for the young Japanese who get are getting so excited about Korea lately. Poor kids. If Korea is everything they say it is, why do they waste so much time on it? What are they afraid of?

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Very nice. Very rude indeed.

Perhaps the idea is that those peninsular colonials should be better behaved because Imperial Japan civilized them? Many Japanese expect Koreans to be just like them…

I’ve seen American tourists behave just as inappropriately, even though I’ve only visited Japan. Got any videos on them? TV stations obsessing with rude white people? Japanese kids using rude American gaijin behavior to feel better about killing barbarians in prison camps?

There’s just something about Korea that a very many Japanese can’t let go of. Is it a desire to alleviate collective historical guilt? Jealousy on the part of young Japanese men because of Yonsama ( I don’t recall seeing stuff like this in Japan before him, but you’d know better than I)?

I really feel sorry for the young Japanese who get are getting so excited about Korea lately. Poor kids. If Korea is everything they say it is, why do they waste so much time on it? What are they afraid of?

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Oranckay: Every Japanese person already knows Americans can be rude: they don’t need to make a news report about it. Japanese kids don’t need to watch news reports about rude gaijin to feel better about “killing barbarians in prison camps” because Japanese kids are not responsible for things that happened 50 years before they were born. I’m really tired of hearing “sins of the father” arguments from anti-Japanese Koreans.

I’m not sure what kind of rudeness you saw from American tourists, but I doubt that you saw them writing anti-Japanese propaganda statements instead of prayers on wooden tablets within shrines. That seems a little bit ruder than the stuff I see American tourists doing.

As for your statements about many young Japanese getting excited about Korea: I can assure you that it will never reach the level at which Koreans are obsessed with hating Japan.

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Oranckay: Every Japanese person already knows Americans can be rude: they don’t need to make a news report about it. Japanese kids don’t need to watch news reports about rude gaijin to feel better about “killing barbarians in prison camps” because Japanese kids are not responsible for things that happened 50 years before they were born. I’m really tired of hearing “sins of the father” arguments from anti-Japanese Koreans.

I’m not sure what kind of rudeness you saw from American tourists, but I doubt that you saw them writing anti-Japanese propaganda statements instead of prayers on wooden tablets within shrines. That seems a little bit ruder than the stuff I see American tourists doing.

As for your statements about many young Japanese getting excited about Korea: I can assure you that it will never reach the level at which Koreans are obsessed with hating Japan.

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And James

To be honest, I think you are a common Japanese pretending the 3rd party nation, because I know some English speaking Japanese who are pretending Americans and constantly speaking ill of Koreans in many websites. You said, “I’m really tired of hearing “sins of the father” arguments from anti-Japanese Koreans.” No Koreans talk about “sins of the father”.

Or all of your judegements are purely originated from the funny stalking TV shows that’s so common in Japan. It was very impressive to know that Japan has had some TV shows backbiting its nabors. I’ve come across such a rude and sly TV show nowhere else but only in Japan.

I agree there are many good Japanese. However Japanese media that are largely under the influence of right-winged Jiminto politicans are just ridiculous.

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And James

To be honest, I think you are a common Japanese pretending the 3rd party nation, because I know some English speaking Japanese who are pretending Americans and constantly speaking ill of Koreans in many websites. You said, “I�m really tired of hearing �sins of the father� arguments from anti-Japanese Koreans.” No Koreans talk about “sins of the father”.

Or all of your judegements are purely originated from the funny stalking TV shows that’s so common in Japan. It was very impressive to know that Japan has had some TV shows backbiting its nabors. I’ve come across such a rude and sly TV show nowhere else but only in Japan.

I agree there are many good Japanese. However Japanese media that are largely under the influence of right-winged Jiminto politicans are just ridiculous.

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i’m a japanese, i have lived in london for five years, and i’ve got some cool chinese and korean friends. i think i have quite unbiased view. but!

i think it’s better not to talk about history on this topic coz the problem is completely out of it. what happens in the present is very simple…. some koreans(not all of them) come to japan, ignore our manner and rules, bring their way without any consideration, do whatever they want. “do as romans do” you know? you guys should imagine a situation like if your neighbor visits you place and opens your fridge and drinks something without ask, or takes a pee but outside of a toilet seat and doesn’t clean up. you must get annoyed and blame it. this is not racism either, is it?

additionally, you know how many chinese and korean people get caught by police in a year in japan? more than 20000 people, their criminal rate (not cases) reaches 14 times than the japanese’s. even murder, rape, robbery cases are higher rate. this is abnormal. however i can bet if things like this happen in korea and china, japan gets more bashed strongly. but we don’t do it to them really. if japanese medias are biased, i think even cnn and bbc are biased.
>> http://www.npa.go.jp/hakusyo/h17/hakusho/h17/data/html/GS030410.html

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i’m a japanese, i have lived in london for five years, and i’ve got some cool chinese and korean friends. i think i have quite unbiased view. but!

i think it’s better not to talk about history on this topic coz the problem is completely out of it. what happens in the present is very simple…. some koreans(not all of them) come to japan, ignore our manner and rules, bring their way without any consideration, do whatever they want. “do as romans do” you know? you guys should imagine a situation like if your neighbor visits you place and opens your fridge and drinks something without ask, or takes a pee but outside of a toilet seat and doesn’t clean up. you must get annoyed and blame it. this is not racism either, is it?

additionally, you know how many chinese and korean people get caught by police in a year in japan? more than 20000 people, their criminal rate (not cases) reaches 14 times than the japanese’s. even murder, rape, robbery cases are higher rate. this is abnormal. however i can bet if things like this happen in korea and china, japan gets more bashed strongly. but we don’t do it to them really. if japanese medias are biased, i think even cnn and bbc are biased.
>> http://www.npa.go.jp/hakusyo/h17/hakusho/h17/data/html/GS030410.html

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Hi, James.

Do you want to know who I am? I’m a mutt. I’m a quarter Korean. My grand father who’s an American soldier, a white, married a Korean woman. She’s my grandmother. I was born in Korea and was reared up there more than 20 years by my Chinese mother.

I wonder what do you mean by the vague word of “international standards of politeness’? Definitely, there are some Japanese who are highly rude too. What do you really mean by such a tricky word?

I had attended Korean schools in my 10s. There I had not been taught to hate Japanese at all. What do you mean by another vague word of “ultra-nationalist hate propaganda” that some Japense enjoy using to backbite Koreans?

Have you been in Korea?
Have you really experienced Korean history classes?
Have you seen anti-Japanese web sites in Korea?
Have you ever seen nationalist buses or parades in Korea?

There are lots of dedicated nationalists in Japan, though they look rather funny: noisy black buses, nationalists parades.
Definitely no such thing in Korea.

There are lots of anti-Korea web sites including “2ch” that may be one of the biggests. There are lots of viciously edited pictures and motion pictures for slandering Koreans. Too many, as you said “a large collection of links”. I know those sneaky sites. They are mostly made in Japan, not in other countries. What does this fact mean?
I’ve seldom seen such thing made by Koreans.

Well, Japan has a number of vicious right-winged agents slandering Korea and China. I don’t like such a meaningless yet harmful existences. If you say, I am an vicious anti-Japanese, in a sense, yes, I am because I know the sly aspects of some Japanese.

However my wife’s a Japanese. I know there also live lots of innocent and sincere Japanese. I respect them.

James, you’d better form your opinions by various sources. I’m sure, your opinions relating to the regional issues are highly pro-Japan, maybe heavily affected by the sources made or invented by sly Japanese.

I can speak Japanese quite more than English. I can speak Korean, and a bit of Chinese. If you want to criticize other country or culture. you need to learn about it before. I bet, you know some Japanese language and culture, but no Korean or Chinese. To you, something japanese must be familiar, while something korean or chiense are unfamiliar, maybe preocupied with some bad ideas. I’m sure.

You can talk about Japanese culture that you’re in.
You can’t talk about Korean or Chinese culture that you’ve never been. Learn it first, as you did to learn Japan. And do learn it with sources that are made by Koreans or Chinese, not by Japanese.

If you are a man of intelligence, not of propaganda, avoid bringing superficial judgements. I still believe that you’re a Japanese. If you’re not a vicious Japanese agents that are common in some web sites blaspheming Koreans as I thought, I’m suspicious of your intelligence, to tell the truth.

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Hi, James.

Do you want to know who I am? I’m a mutt. I’m a quarter Korean. My grand father who’s an American soldier, a white, married a Korean woman. She’s my grandmother. I was born in Korea and was reared up there more than 20 years by my Chinese mother.

I wonder what do you mean by the vague word of “international standards of politeness’? Definitely, there are some Japanese who are highly rude too. What do you really mean by such a tricky word?

I had attended Korean schools in my 10s. There I had not been taught to hate Japanese at all. What do you mean by another vague word of “ultra-nationalist hate propaganda” that some Japense enjoy using to backbite Koreans?

Have you been in Korea?
Have you really experienced Korean history classes?
Have you seen anti-Japanese web sites in Korea?
Have you ever seen nationalist buses or parades in Korea?

There are lots of dedicated nationalists in Japan, though they look rather funny: noisy black buses, nationalists parades.
Definitely no such thing in Korea.

There are lots of anti-Korea web sites including “2ch” that may be one of the biggests. There are lots of viciously edited pictures and motion pictures for slandering Koreans. Too many, as you said “a large collection of links”. I know those sneaky sites. They are mostly made in Japan, not in other countries. What does this fact mean?
I’ve seldom seen such thing made by Koreans.

Well, Japan has a number of vicious right-winged agents slandering Korea and China. I don’t like such a meaningless yet harmful existences. If you say, I am an vicious anti-Japanese, in a sense, yes, I am because I know the sly aspects of some Japanese.

However my wife’s a Japanese. I know there also live lots of innocent and sincere Japanese. I respect them.

James, you’d better form your opinions by various sources. I’m sure, your opinions relating to the regional issues are highly pro-Japan, maybe heavily affected by the sources made or invented by sly Japanese.

I can speak Japanese quite more than English. I can speak Korean, and a bit of Chinese. If you want to criticize other country or culture. you need to learn about it before. I bet, you know some Japanese language and culture, but no Korean or Chinese. To you, something japanese must be familiar, while something korean or chiense are unfamiliar, maybe preocupied with some bad ideas. I’m sure.

You can talk about Japanese culture that you’re in.
You can’t talk about Korean or Chinese culture that you’ve never been. Learn it first, as you did to learn Japan. And do learn it with sources that are made by Koreans or Chinese, not by Japanese.

If you are a man of intelligence, not of propaganda, avoid bringing superficial judgements. I still believe that you’re a Japanese. If you’re not a vicious Japanese agents that are common in some web sites blaspheming Koreans as I thought, I’m suspicious of your intelligence, to tell the truth.

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It is really sad that people have to hate each other so deeply. No matter which ethnic group one comes from, there are always ignorant and rude people in each ethnic group and there are many good people. I think it is very immature for anyone to stereotype a whole ethnic group based on few rude behaviors. The racism stems from the FEAR of the others. Why does one need to feel superior over the others? Psychologically, the need to feel superior comes from the fact that one feels very inferior and inadequate about oneself. Perhaps, those who hold prejuidical views on others, in this case Koreans, need to look within themselves before making judgements on others.

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It is really sad that people have to hate each other so deeply. No matter which ethnic group one comes from, there are always ignorant and rude people in each ethnic group and there are many good people. I think it is very immature for anyone to stereotype a whole ethnic group based on few rude behaviors. The racism stems from the FEAR of the others. Why does one need to feel superior over the others? Psychologically, the need to feel superior comes from the fact that one feels very inferior and inadequate about oneself. Perhaps, those who hold prejuidical views on others, in this case Koreans, need to look within themselves before making judgements on others.

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I am japanese.

I love KOREA!!! these days many japanese people become to hate korea but I LOVE KOREA!!! do you want to know WHY?

Because!

KOREA is SOOO FUNNY COUNTRY!!!!!

Ive never seen like the country!

THERE ARE A LOT OF FUNNY THINGS in KOREA!!!!

I call the person like me AI KAN!!!!

AI KAN! AI KAN! AI KAN RYU!!!!!

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I am japanese.

I love KOREA!!! these days many japanese people become to hate korea but I LOVE KOREA!!! do you want to know WHY?

Because!

KOREA is SOOO FUNNY COUNTRY!!!!!

Ive never seen like the country!

THERE ARE A LOT OF FUNNY THINGS in KOREA!!!!

I call the person like me AI KAN!!!!

AI KAN! AI KAN! AI KAN RYU!!!!!

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Koreans are rude too from where I live (Vancouver Canada). They take patriotism to the extreme and have no manners and are highly impolite.

Just last week my friends and I were playing basketball at the local rec when a group of obnoxious koreans came from nowhere and took over the whole court and pushed us off.

Also at the change rooms at the local swimming pool koreans ppl actually bang loudly on the door to tell you to hurry up and change.
Its just so ridiculous that its not even funny.

At my school koreans always yell loudly in korean and piss off the teachers. Even when teachers tell them to speak english they still speak rudley in korean. Even korean women sound rude and loud when they speak.

Korean ppl are so pround of their country and culture that if you even critisize it a bit they will all gang up on you. I remember one instance that I told a korean guy that alot of their culture and language is derived from the chinese language, he immediatley started ranting about how crappy chinese culture was and that they would never copy something so gay. Its just so ridiculous that you can’t even say tae- kwan do sucks in front of koreans, they will assume that you are dissing their country!!!

I’m not sure if this only happens here but its really really annoying

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Koreans are rude too from where I live (Vancouver Canada). They take patriotism to the extreme and have no manners and are highly impolite.

Just last week my friends and I were playing basketball at the local rec when a group of obnoxious koreans came from nowhere and took over the whole court and pushed us off.

Also at the change rooms at the local swimming pool koreans ppl actually bang loudly on the door to tell you to hurry up and change.
Its just so ridiculous that its not even funny.

At my school koreans always yell loudly in korean and piss off the teachers. Even when teachers tell them to speak english they still speak rudley in korean. Even korean women sound rude and loud when they speak.

Korean ppl are so pround of their country and culture that if you even critisize it a bit they will all gang up on you. I remember one instance that I told a korean guy that alot of their culture and language is derived from the chinese language, he immediatley started ranting about how crappy chinese culture was and that they would never copy something so gay. Its just so ridiculous that you can’t even say tae- kwan do sucks in front of koreans, they will assume that you are dissing their country!!!

I’m not sure if this only happens here but its really really annoying

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To chris and to other blockheaded Morons.

First: Geographically: Tsushima is closer to Korea. People who eat, shop, and visits Tsushima are Koreans. In Vice-versa Tsushima people rather shop in Pusan, Korea rather than other Japanese cities because again Geographically Tshushima is closer to Korea rather than Japan.

Second: Historically: Thier is enough evidence and information that Tsushima island belongs to Korea. ( End of Story).

Third: To Chris not all Gyopos ( Overseas Koreans) are draft dodgers. In Veitnam and IraQ War your saying that Whites, Blacks,Hispanics, didn’t dodge military service? In matter of fact if your so PROUD TO SERVE USA MILITARY. WHY? AREN’T YOU IN IRAQ INSTEAD HIDING BEHIND ” YONGSAN” MILITARY WALL???
YOU “FAKE ASS WANNABEE” GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! TO YOU CHRIS, WHY SHOULD ( GYOPOS) SERVE MILITARY?? IF IRAQ OR NORTH KOREANS DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO US OR TO OTHER PEOPLE WHY SHOULD WE FIGHT THEM?? ANSWER THAT YOU HOMO FUCK!!! IF YOUR SO PROUD TO SERVE AMERICAN MILITARY YOU SHOULD BE IN IRAQ!!! YOU DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKER!!

Fourth: Blockheads, Comic book Readers, TV watchers.
Before you blame Koreans or point fingers. Matter of fact before you point the gun and trigger the gun. Look at were your fingers are pointing. Its pointing at YOU!!! ( Korean proverb)

Fifth: Yes, I agree Koreans aren’t perfect. Koreans never said thier perfect.

Sixth: Their are many famouse Korean-Japanese( Zainichi) in Japan. Name a few ” Matsutatsu Oyama founder of Kyunshinkai Karate is Korean. Founder of Soft Bank is Korean, Founder of Lotte company is Korean, First Tokyo based Ginza Yakuza is Korean, the list goes on. The First people that arrived in Japanese island is Korean. What can you say??? History and Culture, Political affiliation between Korea and Japan is deep.

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To chris and to other blockheaded Morons.

First: Geographically: Tsushima is closer to Korea. People who eat, shop, and visits Tsushima are Koreans. In Vice-versa Tsushima people rather shop in Pusan, Korea rather than other Japanese cities because again Geographically Tshushima is closer to Korea rather than Japan.

Second: Historically: Thier is enough evidence and information that Tsushima island belongs to Korea. ( End of Story).

Third: To Chris not all Gyopos ( Overseas Koreans) are draft dodgers. In Veitnam and IraQ War your saying that Whites, Blacks,Hispanics, didn’t dodge military service? In matter of fact if your so PROUD TO SERVE USA MILITARY. WHY? AREN’T YOU IN IRAQ INSTEAD HIDING BEHIND ” YONGSAN” MILITARY WALL???
YOU “FAKE ASS WANNABEE” GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! TO YOU CHRIS, WHY SHOULD ( GYOPOS) SERVE MILITARY?? IF IRAQ OR NORTH KOREANS DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO US OR TO OTHER PEOPLE WHY SHOULD WE FIGHT THEM?? ANSWER THAT YOU HOMO FUCK!!! IF YOUR SO PROUD TO SERVE AMERICAN MILITARY YOU SHOULD BE IN IRAQ!!! YOU DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKER!!

Fourth: Blockheads, Comic book Readers, TV watchers.
Before you blame Koreans or point fingers. Matter of fact before you point the gun and trigger the gun. Look at were your fingers are pointing. Its pointing at YOU!!! ( Korean proverb)

Fifth: Yes, I agree Koreans aren’t perfect. Koreans never said thier perfect.

Sixth: Their are many famouse Korean-Japanese( Zainichi) in Japan. Name a few ” Matsutatsu Oyama founder of Kyunshinkai Karate is Korean. Founder of Soft Bank is Korean, Founder of Lotte company is Korean, First Tokyo based Ginza Yakuza is Korean, the list goes on. The First people that arrived in Japanese island is Korean. What can you say??? History and Culture, Political affiliation between Korea and Japan is deep.

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Boston King:

Here are a few responses to your points:

1) Geographic proximity and where people people shop doesn’t determine political ownership of land.

2)Please provide evidence that Tsushima belongs to Korea. From what I’ve read, it was a Japanese feudal holding as early as the year 600.

3) All males with U.S. citizenship regardless of ethnic origin, are subject to the draft laws of the United States. Also, if you are so opposed to the idea of gyopos serving in the U.S. military, maybe you should stop living in America and enjoying the rich American lifestyle, since U.S. military might has played a major role in securing American global economic and political power.

4) I have no idea what you are trying to say in your fourth point.

5) Ok.

6) There are indeed many people of Korean origin living in Japan. However, the first people who arrived in Japan were the Ainu, not Koreans.

And finally: I’ve left your last comment intact despite your childish use of profanities and name calling. Why? Because it displays to everyone how stupid you are. However, if you continue calling people “HOMO” and saying “FUCK YOU” to people who you don’t agree with, I’ll have to ban you from commenting on this site.

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Boston King:

Here are a few responses to your points:

1) Geographic proximity and where people people shop doesn’t determine political ownership of land.

2)Please provide evidence that Tsushima belongs to Korea. From what I’ve read, it was a Japanese feudal holding as early as the year 600.

3) All males with U.S. citizenship regardless of ethnic origin, are subject to the draft laws of the United States. Also, if you are so opposed to the idea of gyopos serving in the U.S. military, maybe you should stop living in America and enjoying the rich American lifestyle, since U.S. military might has played a major role in securing American global economic and political power.

4) I have no idea what you are trying to say in your fourth point.

5) Ok.

6) There are indeed many people of Korean origin living in Japan. However, the first people who arrived in Japan were the Ainu, not Koreans.

And finally: I’ve left your last comment intact despite your childish use of profanities and name calling. Why? Because it displays to everyone how stupid you are. However, if you continue calling people “HOMO” and saying “FUCK YOU” to people who you don’t agree with, I’ll have to ban you from commenting on this site.

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If some turist shall come to my country and poop all over the place, I would not make it into news, but into my fists.I do not have tolerance level for people insulting my country and writing against my coutry no matter if they were right or wrong.

Would that make me racist, no just untolerant to the rudness.

I like this comment:
“U.S. military might has played a major role in securing American global economic and political power.”

America with it’s politics plays into the hands of economic might
of CHINA, and Japan is also not excluded from the American politics
and it’s influence(negative influence). It is just question of time WHEN American production will be so marginalisized they will go to China to look for work, or Americans themself will work for Chinese companies for a buck an hour as they did it to the Chinese people.I am not Chinese or Japanese or American.

Americans were lost ANY credibility to be a global police.

Mark my words China is comming.

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If some turist shall come to my country and poop all over the place, I would not make it into news, but into my fists.I do not have tolerance level for people insulting my country and writing against my coutry no matter if they were right or wrong.

Would that make me racist, no just untolerant to the rudness.

I like this comment:
“U.S. military might has played a major role in securing American global economic and political power.”

America with it’s politics plays into the hands of economic might
of CHINA, and Japan is also not excluded from the American politics
and it’s influence(negative influence). It is just question of time WHEN American production will be so marginalisized they will go to China to look for work, or Americans themself will work for Chinese companies for a buck an hour as they did it to the Chinese people.I am not Chinese or Japanese or American.

Americans were lost ANY credibility to be a global police.

Mark my words China is comming.

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These Korean tourists are despicable and rude. As a Korean myself I find it deeply disturbing, but a lot people seem to think that all Koreans are like this. Those tourists are probably just handful of many who were caught by a film crew looking for the rudest bunch. Millions of Koreans go to Japan every year, and all of them don’t do such rude things. Let’s not forget that a Korean foreign exchange student gave his life by trying to save a drunken Japanese man who fell onto the subway tracks several years ago. Former PM Koizumi even met with his parents to thank them for their son’s heroic yet ill-fated deed. Let’s hope for a more peaceful co-existance between both nations, who are so close and connected to one another, yet torn by past mistakes. For the sake of our children.

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These Korean tourists are despicable and rude. As a Korean myself I find it deeply disturbing, but a lot people seem to think that all Koreans are like this. Those tourists are probably just handful of many who were caught by a film crew looking for the rudest bunch. Millions of Koreans go to Japan every year, and all of them don’t do such rude things. Let’s not forget that a Korean foreign exchange student gave his life by trying to save a drunken Japanese man who fell onto the subway tracks several years ago. Former PM Koizumi even met with his parents to thank them for their son’s heroic yet ill-fated deed. Let’s hope for a more peaceful co-existance between both nations, who are so close and connected to one another, yet torn by past mistakes. For the sake of our children.

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Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would leave bait at a fishing spot? No.

Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would eat food before and/or after buying it in a store? No.

Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would leave a restaurant without paying the full amount? No.

As for the rock throwing and the kimchee in the restaurant I cannot comment.

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Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would leave bait at a fishing spot? No.

Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would eat food before and/or after buying it in a store? No.

Are there REALLY no Japanese people that would leave a restaurant without paying the full amount? No.

As for the rock throwing and the kimchee in the restaurant I cannot comment.

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One thing that I can’t let go of. THERE IS NOTHING RUDE OR WRONG ABOUT CHUMMING!!! Why was that Korean fishermen haggled? I fish for striped bass in Long Island Beaches in NY and fishermen here would punch you in the face if you got in their face like that. Something like that just shows incredible bias on the part of the camera crew.

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One thing that I can’t let go of. THERE IS NOTHING RUDE OR WRONG ABOUT CHUMMING!!! Why was that Korean fishermen haggled? I fish for striped bass in Long Island Beaches in NY and fishermen here would punch you in the face if you got in their face like that. Something like that just shows incredible bias on the part of the camera crew.

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melonbarmonster:

It might be ok in NY, but the video said that it is illegal for foreigners to engage in that kind of fishing in that area, probably as a measure to protect the local fish stock from being depleted and depriving the islanders of a living.

melonbarmonster:

It might be ok in NY, but the video said that it is illegal for foreigners to engage in that kind of fishing in that area, probably as a measure to protect the local fish stock from being depleted and depriving the islanders of a living.

I don’t even know if the guy was chumming. It looks like he had bait cut up on the rocks and the only thing that I could guess at as being illegal is chumming. I’ve never heard of chumming being illegal in any ocean in the world and I find it hard to believe that it’s illegal in Japan. Do you fish? What do you mean by “that” kind of fishing? What does the vid clip say was illegal about the way that the Korean man was fishing??? I can’t speak Japanese so if you cold translate what was said, I’d appreciate it.

But even if chumming was illegal, peculiar rules that go against the normal rec fishing practices are difficult for foreigner to be aware of and singling them out and racializing the issue is borderline racist behavior.

And let me go on a limb and say that Long Island, NY has only the strictest fishing regulations that differ according to town, species, season(all of which can change year to year) as well as well-established honor codes among fishermen and that kind of intrusion would not be accepted.

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I don’t even know if the guy was chumming. It looks like he had bait cut up on the rocks and the only thing that I could guess at as being illegal is chumming. I’ve never heard of chumming being illegal in any ocean in the world and I find it hard to believe that it’s illegal in Japan. Do you fish? What do you mean by “that” kind of fishing? What does the vid clip say was illegal about the way that the Korean man was fishing??? I can’t speak Japanese so if you cold translate what was said, I’d appreciate it.

But even if chumming was illegal, peculiar rules that go against the normal rec fishing practices are difficult for foreigner to be aware of and singling them out and racializing the issue is borderline racist behavior.

And let me go on a limb and say that Long Island, NY has only the strictest fishing regulations that differ according to town, species, season(all of which can change year to year) as well as well-established honor codes among fishermen and that kind of intrusion would not be accepted.

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saw that “illegal for foreigners” above… that’s even worse.

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saw that “illegal for foreigners” above… that’s even worse.

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Melonbarmonster:

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=242

The guy who runs occidentalism, who understands Japanese far better than I do, translated it as “bait spiking,” which seems to mean that practice of throwing bait into the water. I am not a fisherman, nor do I claim to be an expert on fishing, so I know nothing of fishing terminology in Japanese or English. Since you were claiming that you thought the fishing shown in the video wouldn’t be ilegal, I was simply telling you that the video claimed the type of fishing they were engaging in was illegal. The reporter is merely informing the fisherman that he is breaking the law. Is it unreasonable to expect foreigners to know the fishing laws in a country if they plan spend their vacation fishing in that country?

As for the issue of “illegal for foreigners,” as I stated, the video says the law is that way to prevent the large number of tourists who come to the island and engage in recreational fishing from depleting local fish populations. It doesn’t sound like a racist rationale to me.

Melonbarmonster:

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=242

The guy who runs occidentalism, who understands Japanese far better than I do, translated it as “bait spiking,” which seems to mean that practice of throwing bait into the water. I am not a fisherman, nor do I claim to be an expert on fishing, so I know nothing of fishing terminology in Japanese or English. Since you were claiming that you thought the fishing shown in the video wouldn’t be ilegal, I was simply telling you that the video claimed the type of fishing they were engaging in was illegal. The reporter is merely informing the fisherman that he is breaking the law. Is it unreasonable to expect foreigners to know the fishing laws in a country if they plan spend their vacation fishing in that country?

As for the issue of “illegal for foreigners,” as I stated, the video says the law is that way to prevent the large number of tourists who come to the island and engage in recreational fishing from depleting local fish populations. It doesn’t sound like a racist rationale to me.

As someone who is an avid fishermen, I was stating the obvious observation that outlawing “fish spiking” in the ocean is ridiculous in and of itself. And then to have a law that’s already contrary to common practice to only apply to foreigners is even more ridiculous. And yes, as an avid fishermen who’s quite informed and involved in the politics of rec fisheries and impact on fish population, it is very ridiculous and quite racist for a law like this to exist and apply only to foreiners. The motivation behind such laws in only racism because if the local governmnet really cared they would have non-racial laws that apply, such as fishing license requirement. And compared to Japan’s massive commercial fishing industry, foreigners catching 6 inch fish off a rock are drops in lake.

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As someone who is an avid fishermen, I was stating the obvious observation that outlawing “fish spiking” in the ocean is ridiculous in and of itself. And then to have a law that’s already contrary to common practice to only apply to foreigners is even more ridiculous. And yes, as an avid fishermen who’s quite informed and involved in the politics of rec fisheries and impact on fish population, it is very ridiculous and quite racist for a law like this to exist and apply only to foreiners. The motivation behind such laws in only racism because if the local governmnet really cared they would have non-racial laws that apply, such as fishing license requirement. And compared to Japan’s massive commercial fishing industry, foreigners catching 6 inch fish off a rock are drops in lake.

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Melonbarmonster:

That doesn’t sound like a racial law to me. It just sounds like a law that responds to a massive influx of foreign tourists to a small island by prohibiting foreign nationals from engaging in a certain type of fishing. The small number of Japanese people who live on that island primarily make their living through fishing the local waters, so it might endanger their livelihoods to allow foreign nationals to fish through “bait spiking.” It isn’t an issue of race, since any naturalized foreigner who isn’t racially “Japanese”, such as the many thousands of Chinese or Koreans who became Japanese citizens, or even white Japanese such as Debito, could go there and fish. However, as Tsushima is not a tourism hotspot for Japanese from the main islands, I doubt there would be any need to pass such a restriction on Japanese citizens.

The local government has no authority over the actions of Japanese fishermen in the world’s oceans. Last time I checked, other nations such as Korea were also overfishing their quotas. What’s your point in bring that up?

Melonbarmonster:

That doesn’t sound like a racial law to me. It just sounds like a law that responds to a massive influx of foreign tourists to a small island by prohibiting foreign nationals from engaging in a certain type of fishing. The small number of Japanese people who live on that island primarily make their living through fishing the local waters, so it might endanger their livelihoods to allow foreign nationals to fish through “bait spiking.” It isn’t an issue of race, since any naturalized foreigner who isn’t racially “Japanese”, such as the many thousands of Chinese or Koreans who became Japanese citizens, or even white Japanese such as Debito, could go there and fish. However, as Tsushima is not a tourism hotspot for Japanese from the main islands, I doubt there would be any need to pass such a restriction on Japanese citizens.

The local government has no authority over the actions of Japanese fishermen in the world’s oceans. Last time I checked, other nations such as Korea were also overfishing their quotas. What’s your point in bring that up?

Obviousy we disagree… but to claim that laws that apply only to foreigners isn’t racially motivated when the 99% foreingers are from Korea and China is pretty funny. As for outlawing bait spiking… go ask a fishermen or a marine biologist.

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Obviousy we disagree… but to claim that laws that apply only to foreigners isn’t racially motivated when the 99% foreingers are from Korea and China is pretty funny. As for outlawing bait spiking… go ask a fishermen or a marine biologist.

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Im a marine bioglgist and i hav e to say magnitude of this discussion in’t a racially motivated law. Though most laws required it to be under section 5c they

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Im a marine bioglgist and i hav e to say magnitude of this discussion in’t a racially motivated law. Though most laws required it to be under section 5c they

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koreans, koreans, koreans… you should mention ’some koreans’ or ‘the koreans in the video clip’ which doesn’t mean ‘all koreans’. i’ve met some loud and rude japanese and really polite and nice ones. i’ve met so many different kinds of people from all over the world. although, you still mention it by ‘many koreans you’ve met’ if you were so unlucky.

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koreans, koreans, koreans… you should mention ’some koreans’ or ‘the koreans in the video clip’ which doesn’t mean ‘all koreans’. i’ve met some loud and rude japanese and really polite and nice ones. i’ve met so many different kinds of people from all over the world. although, you still mention it by ‘many koreans you’ve met’ if you were so unlucky.

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Jake, I have no idea what you’re trying to say. I follow fishery management regulations pretty closely. Any law that applies only to foreigners is only racially motivated especially given historical, cultural context as well as the empirical fact that “foreign” fishermen are all Koreans. Give me a break. A law serious about fisheries management would involve comprehensive regulations and limits that applies to anyone who fishes irregardless of race, especially given the reputation of Japan’s commercial fishing industry.

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Jake, I have no idea what you’re trying to say. I follow fishery management regulations pretty closely. Any law that applies only to foreigners is only racially motivated especially given historical, cultural context as well as the empirical fact that “foreign” fishermen are all Koreans. Give me a break. A law serious about fisheries management would involve comprehensive regulations and limits that applies to anyone who fishes irregardless of race, especially given the reputation of Japan’s commercial fishing industry.

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Right for a start – Koreans can’t go anywhere without Kimchi. Its their dish, they love it, their national dish. Secondly believe it or not but these people do not represent all Koreans, as certain Japanese people might think. I mean how racist and narrow-minded can you get? I am half Korean and half Scottish. I hate the Japan v Korea thing. It makes east asians look backwards, because in very few other places in the world is there this bitterness between certain people from these two nations. If i made a video like this about Germans and posted it on the net, saying that Germans are so rude and have no manners and shouldn’t come to our country, I would be most probably be arrested, or at the very least hated. What is the point in this video? what is it trying to achieve?

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Right for a start – Koreans can’t go anywhere without Kimchi. Its their dish, they love it, their national dish. Secondly believe it or not but these people do not represent all Koreans, as certain Japanese people might think. I mean how racist and narrow-minded can you get? I am half Korean and half Scottish. I hate the Japan v Korea thing. It makes east asians look backwards, because in very few other places in the world is there this bitterness between certain people from these two nations. If i made a video like this about Germans and posted it on the net, saying that Germans are so rude and have no manners and shouldn’t come to our country, I would be most probably be arrested, or at the very least hated. What is the point in this video? what is it trying to achieve?

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just going to add that every country is slightly self-indulgent. Americans news is all about America. Most of the news about other countries is fairly negative., but so is most news. Here is Britain, we learn about a lot of american news, but again it’s usually negative, although we have plenty of American TV shows, and movies to know, even if you haven;t been there, that there are many cool, nice, friendly Americans. Now it must be the same in Korea and Japan, although possibly slightly exaggerated. Whilst there may be many anti-Korean, or anti-Japanese, or anti-American parts on Jap or Korean news, it doesn’t mean that represents something totally wrong. The news is there, it might be slightly biased, but only because maybe that;s what a lot of people want to hear. You can’t say Koreans are rude. So many have manners like my mom and her family. I’m not lying when I say I went to Korea last year the people were among the friendliest I have ever met, and so generous. sure I saw some idiotic Koreans though. I remember one particular incident when there were these OLD Koreans in their 60s running around chucking their shoes around the boat. They were obviously stupid, weird country folk with no manners, but these people were by far from the majority. I love east asia, i was born in Hong Kong, loved Korea and seoul, and would love to visit Japan. east asian people need to realise to respect each other because I find a lot of aspects of their countries
they should be very proud of.

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just going to add that every country is slightly self-indulgent. Americans news is all about America. Most of the news about other countries is fairly negative., but so is most news. Here is Britain, we learn about a lot of american news, but again it’s usually negative, although we have plenty of American TV shows, and movies to know, even if you haven;t been there, that there are many cool, nice, friendly Americans. Now it must be the same in Korea and Japan, although possibly slightly exaggerated. Whilst there may be many anti-Korean, or anti-Japanese, or anti-American parts on Jap or Korean news, it doesn’t mean that represents something totally wrong. The news is there, it might be slightly biased, but only because maybe that;s what a lot of people want to hear. You can’t say Koreans are rude. So many have manners like my mom and her family. I’m not lying when I say I went to Korea last year the people were among the friendliest I have ever met, and so generous. sure I saw some idiotic Koreans though. I remember one particular incident when there were these OLD Koreans in their 60s running around chucking their shoes around the boat. They were obviously stupid, weird country folk with no manners, but these people were by far from the majority. I love east asia, i was born in Hong Kong, loved Korea and seoul, and would love to visit Japan. east asian people need to realise to respect each other because I find a lot of aspects of their countries
they should be very proud of.

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You should see the japanese tourists in Manila. They go up to almost any female in public and ask them how much they are to screw. They asked my sister if they can give her about 200 us dollars to have her pee and screwed by two guys in their 50s. She just came home crying. There are some loud Koreans here but I haven’t seen them grabbing any random girls off the street to ask for a “favor”. I don’t know what’s more rude. Being noisy in public areas or being f-ing perverts.

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You should see the japanese tourists in Manila. They go up to almost any female in public and ask them how much they are to screw. They asked my sister if they can give her about 200 us dollars to have her pee and screwed by two guys in their 50s. She just came home crying. There are some loud Koreans here but I haven’t seen them grabbing any random girls off the street to ask for a “favor”. I don’t know what’s more rude. Being noisy in public areas or being f-ing perverts.

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How about Kurils: Kunashiri, Etorofo, Shikotan etc.? Also Karafuto? When is Russia going to give it back to Japan?

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How about Kurils: Kunashiri, Etorofo, Shikotan etc.? Also Karafuto? When is Russia going to give it back to Japan?

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My two cents on the debate….

Sometimes, you can’t just “let the past go”. Japan isn’t too keen on letting the Hiroshima past go anytime soon are they?

Japan has always been the black sheep of Asia. It’s been that way ever since they were first created as a nation. Japan has traditionally been the number-one getaway asylum for political prisoners, criminals, and other exiles from their own country, because it’s a small archipelago off the coast of Korea. Now, I’m not saying that as an anti-Japanese statement or anything, bare that in mind. Australia also started their history as a criminal colony, but that’s not having a huge impact on their current status right? What I am trying to do is shed some light on why Japan has always been a black sheep in the family. And most likely, it will remain that way until humanity becomes extinct or something. It’s nothing that can be helped. Ever heard of the Seven Year War? If you’re a Westerner, you probably haven’t. But basically, Japan has too much of a negative history with China, Korea, and other Asian powers to ever work themselves out of the black sheep status they have.

That said, their horrific World War 2 crimes are only the tip of the ice berg as to why Japan is so antagonized. You hear about the evils of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and how the Jews were victims in the horrible Holocaust war crime every day, but how many times have you heard anybody dedicating some memory to victims of Hideki Tojo? Do you even know who Hideki Tojo is? Most Americans don’t. But they know exactly who Hitler is. Anti-Semitism is also a big thing in Asia, Korea in particular. Many Asians are extremely bitter that their suffering under the Japanese Empire during WW2 is considered trivial compared to the Jews’ persecution under Hitler. Sixty something years after it all happened, Japan continues to release revisionist manga and history books that either deny their war crimes, or paint themselves in a more palatable light (“We only did it to HELP them! All those Chinese guys we shot down off cliffs were criminals to begin with! No, we don’t care if that was half the population of the entire country!”). Can you imagine the same thing going on in Germany today?

A lot of Americans find it easy to just say “Koreans should just get over it,” but the thing is, it’s not that simple. Like I said before, WW2 is just the tip of the ice berg. It’s a big, ugly ice berg you can’t truly know of unless you’re Asian. And it’s not an ice berg that’s melting away soon. My advice? Just don’t say anything. If you take the Korean side, you’ll look like an idiot. And if you take the Japanese side, you’ll look like an even bigger idiot. Don’t reprimand Koreans of being racist, don’t “forgive” the Japanese for their crimes. Just let it go. It’s not your fight, and it’s not your debate.

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My two cents on the debate�.

Sometimes, you can�t just �let the past go�. Japan isn�t too keen on letting the Hiroshima past go anytime soon are they?

Japan has always been the black sheep of Asia. It�s been that way ever since they were first created as a nation. Japan has traditionally been the number-one getaway asylum for political prisoners, criminals, and other exiles from their own country, because it�s a small archipelago off the coast of Korea. Now, I�m not saying that as an anti-Japanese statement or anything, bare that in mind. Australia also started their history as a criminal colony, but that�s not having a huge impact on their current status right? What I am trying to do is shed some light on why Japan has always been a black sheep in the family. And most likely, it will remain that way until humanity becomes extinct or something. It�s nothing that can be helped. Ever heard of the Seven Year War? If you�re a Westerner, you probably haven�t. But basically, Japan has too much of a negative history with China, Korea, and other Asian powers to ever work themselves out of the black sheep status they have.

That said, their horrific World War 2 crimes are only the tip of the ice berg as to why Japan is so antagonized. You hear about the evils of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and how the Jews were victims in the horrible Holocaust war crime every day, but how many times have you heard anybody dedicating some memory to victims of Hideki Tojo? Do you even know who Hideki Tojo is? Most Americans don�t. But they know exactly who Hitler is. Anti-Semitism is also a big thing in Asia, Korea in particular. Many Asians are extremely bitter that their suffering under the Japanese Empire during WW2 is considered trivial compared to the Jews� persecution under Hitler. Sixty something years after it all happened, Japan continues to release revisionist manga and history books that either deny their war crimes, or paint themselves in a more palatable light (�We only did it to HELP them! All those Chinese guys we shot down off cliffs were criminals to begin with! No, we don�t care if that was half the population of the entire country!�). Can you imagine the same thing going on in Germany today?

A lot of Americans find it easy to just say �Koreans should just get over it,� but the thing is, it�s not that simple. Like I said before, WW2 is just the tip of the ice berg. It�s a big, ugly ice berg you can�t truly know of unless you�re Asian. And it�s not an ice berg that�s melting away soon. My advice? Just don�t say anything. If you take the Korean side, you�ll look like an idiot. And if you take the Japanese side, you�ll look like an even bigger idiot. Don�t reprimand Koreans of being racist, don�t �forgive� the Japanese for their crimes. Just let it go. It�s not your fight, and it�s not your debate.

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Lets not forget the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards the Japanese so who can blame them really, Korea is an extremely nice place ive visted many times and can honestly say i find Korean people very pleasant indeed. Im not racist at all but i do find that in the Uk and my visit to Tokyo, Japanese people can be very aggressive and easily upset at the most silliest of small things so i think your report is unfair here. Also a lot of people in the UK & the US will often eat something in a supermarket and then purchase the empty item at the checkouts, its called being hungry!!! Nothing outrageous about that, maybe people in Japan need to chill out a bit and stop being so serious

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Lets not forget the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards the Japanese so who can blame them really, Korea is an extremely nice place ive visted many times and can honestly say i find Korean people very pleasant indeed. Im not racist at all but i do find that in the Uk and my visit to Tokyo, Japanese people can be very aggressive and easily upset at the most silliest of small things so i think your report is unfair here. Also a lot of people in the UK & the US will often eat something in a supermarket and then purchase the empty item at the checkouts, its called being hungry!!! Nothing outrageous about that, maybe people in Japan need to chill out a bit and stop being so serious

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Increasing Korean tourists from a few thousands to 40,000! could bring much more headaches, but is this so serious to be aired? They throw a stone on the door because the door looks like holding stones for long and that’s a common pratice of tourists if you go anywhere in the world. If that’s very rude to Japanese religion or something, Japanese locals were able to put any warning or something. How damn the tourists know what they have to and should not have to without any guide prases. I think it’s very immature to go over all these, but to me all these bad pratices from Korean are very minor and can happen anywhere where number of tourists increased to 10 times than before and I guess the main problem is not tourists spending money on the island, but the Japanese locals not being prepared and doing nothing to regulate the increased tourists. Basically, I haven’t seen locals complaining for incrased tourists spending more money on their area. Hey! Am I lost for something here?

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Increasing Korean tourists from a few thousands to 40,000! could bring much more headaches, but is this so serious to be aired? They throw a stone on the door because the door looks like holding stones for long and that’s a common pratice of tourists if you go anywhere in the world. If that’s very rude to Japanese religion or something, Japanese locals were able to put any warning or something. How damn the tourists know what they have to and should not have to without any guide prases. I think it’s very immature to go over all these, but to me all these bad pratices from Korean are very minor and can happen anywhere where number of tourists increased to 10 times than before and I guess the main problem is not tourists spending money on the island, but the Japanese locals not being prepared and doing nothing to regulate the increased tourists. Basically, I haven’t seen locals complaining for incrased tourists spending more money on their area. Hey! Am I lost for something here?

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“How damn the tourists know what they have to and should not have to without any guide prases.”

There is a Chinese saying, when you visit a country, you follow the customs of that country. By what you say, they probably have to put up all sorts of signs: No peeing here, No pooping here. You can’t just do whatever you want in a foreign country. How about this, KoreanYoungBoy, I will go to your house, and start trashing around, why? because you didn’t tell me I can’t do it.

You were defending korea because you are a korean, and you were trying to justify all the bad things they do, shame on you.

(you can comment all you want, I am not replying or reading it =))

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“How damn the tourists know what they have to and should not have to without any guide prases.”

There is a Chinese saying, when you visit a country, you follow the customs of that country. By what you say, they probably have to put up all sorts of signs: No peeing here, No pooping here. You can’t just do whatever you want in a foreign country. How about this, KoreanYoungBoy, I will go to your house, and start trashing around, why? because you didn’t tell me I can’t do it.

You were defending korea because you are a korean, and you were trying to justify all the bad things they do, shame on you.

(you can comment all you want, I am not replying or reading it =))

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Noah, if rabid racism is a “custom” of Japan, it should NOT be followed but repudiated and condemned. The behavior being complained of here is not based on any respectable “custom” but based on racist stereotypes bad faith toward Koreans, e.g., eating snacks before purchasing, using chum while fishing, etc., are things that are not rude nor cause for complaint.

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Noah, if rabid racism is a “custom” of Japan, it should NOT be followed but repudiated and condemned. The behavior being complained of here is not based on any respectable “custom” but based on racist stereotypes bad faith toward Koreans, e.g., eating snacks before purchasing, using chum while fishing, etc., are things that are not rude nor cause for complaint.

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Sad to say, here in the Philippines Koreans have also got a bad rep, they spit in public (dont do that here) they are noisy in public (NO) and the call us over bu using the index finger instead of the Filipino way of PALM DOWN and sort of waiving. SOME koreans seriously needs to learn about how to assimilate in other nations!

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Sad to say, here in the Philippines Koreans have also got a bad rep, they spit in public (dont do that here) they are noisy in public (NO) and the call us over bu using the index finger instead of the Filipino way of PALM DOWN and sort of waiving. SOME koreans seriously needs to learn about how to assimilate in other nations!

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It’s simply the truth. Korean culture is just plain RUDE. I’ve lived here for almost 2 years and this is not a positive representation of Asian culture. This country for some odd reason has lost its way in society. Japan was a lovely country and the most recent visit to Tokyo was a much needed breathe of fresh air from Korea. The Korean government is also teaching children in school through their school books a very warped sided interpretation of their place in world history. Why they are the smartest. Why they are the best world athletes. Why they somehow invented the alphabet across the globe???? Its sad really. Most of these misguided students grow eager to expand into abroad educational opportunities and have a huge dose of reality that shakes the world they were brought up to believe was so cleverly shaped by them.

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It’s simply the truth. Korean culture is just plain RUDE. I’ve lived here for almost 2 years and this is not a positive representation of Asian culture. This country for some odd reason has lost its way in society. Japan was a lovely country and the most recent visit to Tokyo was a much needed breathe of fresh air from Korea. The Korean government is also teaching children in school through their school books a very warped sided interpretation of their place in world history. Why they are the smartest. Why they are the best world athletes. Why they somehow invented the alphabet across the globe???? Its sad really. Most of these misguided students grow eager to expand into abroad educational opportunities and have a huge dose of reality that shakes the world they were brought up to believe was so cleverly shaped by them.

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Korea talk about imperialism. What about Gwanggaeto the “Great” who conquered small protomongol tribes(kind of like native americans)and forced tributes on them. Burned the palaces of shilla and baekje. Irony is that most koreans are shillans not korgeyeans. Sure some balheans/korgeyeans did return to koryeo(shilla’s successor state) but they were a bunch of small elites like the last prince of balhae and they lived in south,not north, korea. Then why does koreans praised korgeyeo-simple because they missed manchuria. That is the true definition of imperialism.

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Korea talk about imperialism. What about Gwanggaeto the “Great” who conquered small protomongol tribes(kind of like native americans)and forced tributes on them. Burned the palaces of shilla and baekje. Irony is that most koreans are shillans not korgeyeans. Sure some balheans/korgeyeans did return to koryeo(shilla’s successor state) but they were a bunch of small elites like the last prince of balhae and they lived in south,not north, korea. Then why does koreans praised korgeyeo-simple because they missed manchuria. That is the true definition of imperialism.

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You can’t call me antikorean when I loved korean shows and Greg Paik. I came from a country ruled by imperialist china(vietnam). But if you want to criticizes imperialists then also you must criticize Gwanggaeto the “Great”(more like the “Ruthless”.

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You can’t call me antikorean when I loved korean shows and Greg Paik. I came from a country ruled by imperialist china(vietnam). But if you want to criticizes imperialists then also you must criticize Gwanggaeto the “Great”(more like the “Ruthless”.

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